President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Would you have considered it given a certain diagnosis? If you knew your future child would be vegetative? Or no matter what, you and your partner would have carried the child to term?

 

He will be with you in a moment. He is busy showing his ass on a thread about boomers fucking everyone.

 

No. Do the tests cover that? Yes.

 

You don't even know that there are tests that cover "vegetative"? That means you don't know some of the extreme conditions that can occur. (they have testing for those too) So you have not considered all the health issues that are possible, yet you want to tell others who have those circumstances, how to make decisions.

 

It's been 7 years since we went through testing. I can't remember all the specifics. I do know we decided to forgo testing with our second child because it didn't matter.

I'm not telling people what decisions they should make. I'm saying there are certain choices that are immoral and disgusting and hiding behind their legality is another choice they have to live with.

Humans are resilient. They live with all sorts of decisions that can't morally be defended.

 

I wonder what percentage of would-be parents would receive a positive test for something significant and not terminate. I would think it would be very small. We would have terminated, although I understand the argument against intervention. I'm grateful that's a decision we didn't have to face, and I'm sorry that people do.

 

I am not talking about your testing I am talking about you wanting to --yes make peoples decision, because if you could you would---without knowing what the health issues are that some of these people are facing.
Humans are great and I wish for babies with serious problems that they are born to people who can handle it and I have seen people who are superior in that way but for some people , they just can not do it for whatever reason and we have to let them be. Abortion is not my issue although if it looks like it is being taken away I would have to support the fight for it. But this law, you can not enforce it. You have to let people determine what they can handle on this sacred, personal, life changing moment.

 

I think that anyone who thinks there's an easy answer to that question is lying to themselves and creating an arbitrary moral framework so they don't have to really think about the tough questions it poses.

As pretty much everyone knows, I have an 8-year-old severely mentally handicapped son and am also helping raise my 4-year-old nephew with spina bifida. The latter is only here because my sister talked his biological mother out of an abortion with the promise that she would adopt him, as she already had his older brothers.

Asking me if I'd recommend an abortion knowing the future child would be special needs is like asking me if I'd advocate masturbating into my sock or using a condom that night if I knew the child would be special needs. It's not fundamentally an abortion question, it's a dignity of human life and compassion question. I'm *pretty* sure that my son will never fully appreciate what he's lacking and may well end up with a happier life than most. I wish I could say that with 100% certainty, but what can you do? I worry a lot more about my nephew, who is more mentally developed but severely physically handicapped, in ways that often cause him intense pain and prolonged hospital stays. If someone knew that their potential child would have spina bifida at 16 weeks pregnancy, I wouldn't recommend abortion, but I wouldn't dissuade anybody who became fully informed on the issue and chose that route.

And those are just the two problems that I'm most familiar with. There are rare birth defects that guarantee that the child will die before going home from the hospital and will be in suffering until they do. Am I supposed to tell prospective parents that they can't possibly end a pregnancy early when facing that? So now we're facing some sort of sliding scale where quality of life comes into play, and obviously that's a helluva potentially ugly slippery slope even with the best of intentions. As I said: There aren't anything remotely resembling easy answers or simple heuristics here, just a shitburger existence foisted upon us that we try to make the best of.

But I guess that question wasn't what would I recommend to others, but what would I personally do. In which case, my answer depends on the diagnosis. I would definitely carry to term with something like what my son has. It would be a harder decision with spina bifida, I could see myself going either way. There are probably diagnoses out there that would lead me to the decision to abort the pregnancy.

 

This all started with the specific case of Down (sorry for adding the extraneous 's') Syndrome. But while challenging, it's hardly a death sentence. What's the next abortion milestone -- aborting autistic babies? Legality only goes so far.

 

I didn't know, wow you are one of those "superior" folks I mentioned. (hope that sounds sincere as it is meant)

 

Slippery slope arguments are fallacies for a reason.

 

"for whatever reason."

Stopping a beating heart is not sacred.

As I've said before, I don't expect the law to change nor am I advocating that. But some things are more important than whether they are legal.