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I sure wouldn’t. I have a brother with autism who lives in a group home. He’s a wonderful brother.

 

The Iceland thing is about 2/3rds urban legend:

FACT CHECK: Has Iceland Eliminated Down Syndrome Through Abortion?

 

It was easy for them to pass the law. They don't seem willing to put the resources behind the results of their actions. Unless they did quietly agree to additional resources, my point isn't assuming anything. It's based upon the fact that they didn't bother to ensure that these additional special-needs fetuses that they insist upon being born are taken care of.

 

some info on Cuba...there is also a site with stats, lost it but a google search will find it if you want it. They say 80% aborted. I wonder if we know the number here or if it is even kept.
Family support to Down Syndrome in Cuba … and the fable of the tiger without stripes

 

That doesn't look like 2/3 to me. The reports I've seen have presented it as a choice that most are making and said almost eliminated. That's not so far off of what the correction looks like.

 

You keep coming back to this and it's not as good an argument as you think it is. If the fetus is human enough to be worth protecting from destruction, that is the case whether or not it will be poor when born. What kind of social welfare (public vs. private/charity vs. bootstraps) we should have for babies born into poverty is a different, important, but only tangentially related question.

 

Exactly. One side sees this is a public health issue. The other sees this as a criminal issue.

There really is no parallel in American culture. Perhaps drugs, where some favor criminalization and prohibition while others favor decriminalization and regulation. Usually, the mainstream stances are a collision of degrees -- taxes, guns, education, etc.

With abortion, we're arguing apples and oranges.

 

It's a fundamental aspect of the issue. People are worried about raising a Down Syndrome kid. Yet, you have a certain group that is insisting they do so. Shouldn't that group be offering additional assistance since after all, they are the ones butting into other women's decisions?

 

A friend and his wife got tested and went to term with a Downs infant. She's also got other problems - heart surgery while less than two months old.

I have a lot of respect for their choices, but I'm damn glad not to have had to make them myself.

 

The link Stain posted said it’s 68 percent in the U.S.

By comparison, I’ve seen it cited that as much as 60-plus percent of ALL pregnancies are aborted in Cuba, where it is as readily available and convenient as contraception, and is in fact strongly “encouraged” when babies are diagnosed with certain conditions.

 

Exactly. Something doesn’t need to happen through government mandate in order to still be happening.

 

So it's basically the same thing we have here - a test for Down syndrome that's available, but not required - just that it leads to a higher percentage of abortions there. Am I reading that right?

Also, this jumped out at me. I know Iceland is a small country that's dominated by one city, but that's nuts.