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"The Force Awakens" (with SPOILERS)

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Dick Whitman, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing the movies going forward are going to leave that shit alone, but they are still canon. Based on the prequels, midichlorians are in all living beings. Those who have more powerful connections to the Force simply have more of them.
     
  2. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    For two years, I spent an inordinate amount of time trying to puzzle out Snoke's identity for him to die like a fool halfway into the movie.
    And am still not convinced he's dead.
     
  3. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    Do you think he's just stunned? Maybe pining for the fjords?
     
  4. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member


    "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

    That is the entire theme of this film.
    Snoke is so powerful he could mediate the interaction of Rey and Kylo - he could manipulate his own 'death'.
     
  5. Deskgrunt50

    Deskgrunt50 Well-Known Member

    I think he’s dead. But hey, this is one reason why I like the flick. It was risky. And it can go anywhere.
     
  6. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    I agree. I think the element of true surprise was a great thing in this movie.
    No matter what the haters think the movie was nothing if not unpredictable.
     
  7. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Force ghosts are 'more powerful than you can possibly imagine.'
    They are more powerful than living beings.
    They are essentially the Force and nothing else.
    This is why Luke released himself from life's burdens - to become even more powerful than what the Force offered him.
    I don't believe Snoke even presents himself in his true form in all of TLJ.
    Why would we be given all this material for someone who appears in the two movies for nine minutes?
     
  8. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    To be fair, there is a history of a character being cut in half and surviving that is part of current Star Wars canon. It wasn't in the movies, but Darth Maul did survive being hacked in two by Obi-Wan, later showing up in the animated series and being given an artificial lower half, only to lose again to Obi-Wan and die.

    Of course, we saw Snoke's bisected body there for a while, so unless there is some other form entirely, he's dead. I think the way he ends up still being relevant is that he had another apprentice, which has been revealed through interviews with Johnson.
     
  9. SFIND

    SFIND Well-Known Member

     
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  10. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    The only poor plotting device I recognize is the Canto Bight scenes.
    They could have served fine as a Star Wars short, so to speak.
    On par with a few of the pointless Coruscant scenes from Attack of the Clones.
    At least the pod race was ambitious from a technical point of view and advanced part of the narrative.
    I think the harsher critics need to accept that these are not being set up to be great films.
    They're meant to move the story along until the next installment, which is in keeping with the Lucas nod to the serial.
     
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  11. Deskgrunt50

    Deskgrunt50 Well-Known Member

    I like the movie. And that was damn funny.
     
  12. JakeandElwood

    JakeandElwood Well-Known Member

    The movie just didn't grab me like the first two new ones did. I've been thinking about it a lot, and I just don't get the payoff with Luke's story. So his force projection buys the few remaining rebels enough time to escape and that's enough for him to ascend into the force? He was very much still needed. When Obi Wan did it, it made sense - he would have lost an earnest fight to Darth Vader. When Yoda did it, he was just old. But Luke? He showed he could still fight, still be useful. Why did he "ascend" into being a force ghost?
     
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