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Even The Wolf likely can't clean up Harvey Weinstein's pending troubles

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Double Down, Oct 5, 2017.

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  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    To close a couple of loops here.

    Way certainly marketed her piece as part of the #MeToo movement, so I think that makes evaluations of whether it, indeed, harmed or helped the movement pretty fair. (Also ... "girl"?"):



    Also, there was, indeed, a Sabrina Erdely Memorial Victory Tour:

     
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  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, but Christianity is not progressive. Neither is Judiasm, for that matter. I'm not sure any faith fits that term if followed properly.

    I respect your faith. I have deep respect for the way many people practice your faith. My closest friend is a devout Catholic. He's the real deal, not somebody who goes to church for show. When he posted on Facebook about his second battle with cancer (it was his wife's idea), somebody responded by writing, "G-d bless you!" His response was, "Thank you. And HE does. Every day." The guy had to go through nine months of chemotherapy as a teenager, built an amazing life for himself and then got cancer again 27 years later and he's counting his blessings. And I know he meant it. Not that there weren't low moments, too, but even though it's not my faith, I found that inspiring as hell. That's what I told him when he beat it again. (I'd told this story a while ago elsewhere and recently found out his latest scans came back cancer-free.)

    That said. true Christianity may not encourage men to collect women, but it sure as hell doesn't treat them as equals. They were supposed to be controlled by their families, particularly their fathers, until the time came for their husbands to take over. That's it. That was the ideal. That is not progressive.

    Your delusional ideal of everyone treating everyone else as created beings of an all-powerful G-d doesn't work either. Because in practice, that's not how the majority of Christians act. That's not how the majority of people of any faith act. That is one of the many reasons forcing your faith upon others doesn't work. The Christians you have don't even do it right.

    And that's the problem. The practical application of what you posted is an argument to force your morality on others, whether it be by legal restrictions or education or some other form. If your faith works for you and helps guide you to treat others well, that's fantastic. But it fails miserably to do the latter in far too many cases. That has been proven time and again in our society and others.

    The friend I mentioned above treats people that way. I've known him for decades and I can absolutely guarantee that he would still treat people with respect and decency if you took his faith away. Believe it or not, I manage to do the same without your faith. I'm not a Christian. I'm really not much of a Jew, to be honest, but I still manage to treat the people around me well. When I was single, I still managed to treat the women I dated with respect, as I have done with my wife since I met her. I did that because it's who I am, not what I learned from a Rabbi or read in some prayer book.

    I think that's what set me off on this rant. Your philosophy seems to suggest that people have to follow Christian ideals to be decent. If that really is what you believe, I politely invite you to stick that thought where the sun does not shine.
     
  3. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    I believe it's n0t too late and we can still get Dick to flip on this story and declare it garbage based on Wey's "I've already accomplished a lot at 22, thanks!" victory tour.

     
  4. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    That reminds me that I wish in hindsight I'd taken a vow of silence from ages 18-26.
     
  5. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    And so begins the #22NottooShabby movement!
     
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  6. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    This has all the markings of the shitty fights we have have here on this board.
     
  7. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    Consider for how many people Daulerio, Craggs, Magary, et al, are mentors and/or role models.
     
  8. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Apologies in advance if I have the journalism part wrong ...

    I think there's a little more to it than that. I think a lot of these "kiddos" are confused about just what a journalist does (or is about). Yes, over time journalism can absolutely be a means by which some societal good is achieved. But that societal good is a happy byproduct -- not the end in and of itself -- of properly done journalism. John Chancellor's broadcasts of the Little Rock integration battle were fabulous journalism, but they weren't done with the aim of ending racial discrimination in public schools. They were done with the aim of doing good journalism.

    I say that because I've seen -- not in my area, because it doesn't lend itself to that, but in other areas -- scholars (or aspiring scholars) wanting to pursue an academic career so as to further some other goal. Years ago, a friend from college asked me, via Facebook, for guidance about pursuing a PhD in Political Science so she could (and I paraphrase from memory here) "try to get our government back on track." When I gently responded by noting that while admissions committees might prefer her ideology, they're still going to be mostly interested in her scholarly interests, you'd have thought I insulted her kid or something.

    I think maybe these wanna-be types get confused by the relatively small number of visible activists who happen to be academics or journalists and think that's the way of the profession when in fact it's not only not the way of the profession, it's actually counter to the ideals of the profession.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    "Bad date."

    Ansari also physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”

    But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him. She compared the path they cut across his apartment to a football play. “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”

    Throughout the course of her short time in the apartment, she says she used verbal and non-verbal cues to indicate how uncomfortable and distressed she was. “Most of my discomfort was expressed in me pulling away and mumbling. I know that my hand stopped moving at some points,” she said. “I stopped moving my lips and turned cold.”
     
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  11. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    White wine.

    Tongue, Vagina.

    Penis, Mouth.

    Seinfeld.

    Tears of an Uber ride home.
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    "Bad date."

    Ansari wanted to have sex. She said she remembers him asking again and again, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was still seated on the countertop. She says she found the question tough to answer because she says she didn’t want to fuck him at all.

    “I wasn’t really even thinking of that, I didn’t want to be engaged in that with him. But he kept asking, so I said, ‘Next time.’ And he goes, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and I go, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’” He then poured her a glass and handed it to her. She excused herself to the bathroom soon after.
     
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