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Even The Wolf likely can't clean up Harvey Weinstein's pending troubles

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Double Down, Oct 5, 2017.

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  1. lakefront

    lakefront Well-Known Member

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    Did we all read that in a weird low voice?
     
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  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    When it comes to dating, the lines are much fuzzier. And the privacy issues are much more troubling. Babe Editor Amanda Ross told me she had no hesitation about granting anonymity to “Grace,” because her accusations were “of a sexual nature.” “It was never a question for us,” said Ross, 24. “We know who Grace is, we vetted her story extensively. We asked her for everything. She is so wonderful and just wanted to tell her story. No problem.”

    She wanted to go slow; he wanted to go fast. She told the world. Is Aziz Ansari a victim or a perpetrator?
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Seems like I've heard something like this before ...
     
  4. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    This is your chance to be the Richard Bradley of the Aziz Bad Date story. Quick, check and see if Grace really worked at the pool, and if Katie Way might have invented Grace to get back at Aziz for rejecting her!
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    He conceded the story was true, though, in broad strokes. He just says that he misread her signals.

    You and I were Richard Bradley of the Rolling Stone story before Richard Bradley was Richard Bradley. We just kept it in the family here.
     
  6. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    "She's the bravest woman I know." -- Katie Way
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

     
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  8. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Has any guy here EVER been told in exact terminology that “You ignored clear non-verbal cues; you kept going with advances."

    I found that line from her reply text odd.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    The Aziz Ansari story is a mess, but so are the arguments against it

    Way spoke to me briefly about the public interest that motivated the story, citing the mismatch between Ansari’s public persona and his alleged private behavior. But for the most part, she described her story as one that would resonate with the young women who read Babe. “We wanted our readers to know what happened to Grace is not okay, and if it happened to you, it’s okay if you’re upset about it,” she says. And she defends the details, both the graphic and the banal. She argues, “our audience primarily consists of women aged 18 to 24. That’s the shit they’re going to care about… It just makes it more vivid. It just makes it more relatable.” ...

    Much of the disdain in responses in The New York Times and The Atlantic seems to stem from the assumption that the victim’s account is untrue, simply because a lot of the story’s framing is unnecessary, the strategy of promotion is tacky, and the writer and site are largely unknown. Even if it is all true exactly as written (and Ansari’s apologetic response doesn’t deny the facts Grace lays out), there’s a perception that the story doesn’t meet the bar for newsworthiness. Flanagan or Times editor Bari Weiss might not have formed that opinion, had the story come from an outlet that met their definition of seriousness. Their refusal to judge the information provided by the Babe story on its own merits, and the vitriol they have greeted it with, is disturbing, especially on the part of experienced journalists. It’s far more egregious than anything its odd framing and missteps warranted.
     
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  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    No, it's definitely millennial lingo. But it's exactly how a 23-year-old Brooklyn photographer would talk, I think. It rings true.

    You seem to doubt that Grace exists. Ansari confirmed the story.
     
  11. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    These articles would be easier to take seriously if they didn't severely downplay the behavior described in the original story.
     
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  12. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    You wonder if Katie Way asked Grace if she said anything to to Aziz after he stuck his fingers down her throat so many times.

    "I told him to stop fucking sticking his fingers down my throat!" is probably the kind of answer she would have gotten, or should have gotten.

    There's no in-the-moment outrage quote in the story which is kind of bothersome.
     
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