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It is an iron rule of politics that the bases of both parties always think their leaders are selling them out. I still don't get how postponing something for 17 days is a win or loss for anybody. It's a time out.

 

Will Rogers said it a while back - "We've got the best Congress money can buy".

 

For what it's worth, our bodies are home to lots of living entities that are not fetuses. Everybody accepts that those entities are not human, and, thus, do not enjoy the legal rights and protections we extend to all humans. But they are living entities. Point being, whether something is a "living entity" or not is irrelevant to the conversation. The relevant issue is whether the living entity in question -- a fetus -- is a human who deserves the legal rights and protections we afford to all humans.

Try as you might, there no way to prove the validity of one's stance on abortion through logic alone. The logic breaks down on both sides. If a fetus is the same thing as a human, then how can one justify even a "health of the mother" exception? Why does the mother's right to live trump the baby's? But if a fetus isn't a human, then how can we charge someone who kills a mother and her fetus with a double homicide? But if a fetus is human, why does its right to self-determination trump the right of a human who has determined that it would rather not have another human living inside of its body? Well, because the fetus is a human who cannot survive outside of a human's body before a certain stage of development. But if that is the case, then is it really human? And on and on and on.

 

No, it's not obvious who shut it down. It is obvious the Democrats went from completely rejecting a shitburger to agreeing to nibble at the edges of it. Now they're hoping GOP leadership can convince Cotton's cabal not to deport a bunch of American kids due to the crimes of their parents.

As for being pleased, nobody should be pleased at just how dysfunctional Congress - especially the Senate - has become.

 

I'm not arguing the pro-life side so much as I am trying to work through these questions, as well. I have been for 30 years or so.

 

Come on, man ...

 

No way to know.

The Weinstein moment arose because reporters at the Times and the NYer worked the same story with some of the same sources at the same time.

Would those sources have come forward without a Trump administration as the goad?

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

The protest movement is way out in front of the Democrats' leadership, has been since last February.
Polls show even the younger Republicans would like a challenger for the president in 2020.
These marches aren't going to go away.

 

It's interesting that the reaction of people who don't like comments like Inky's about the racist motivation of Trump and the Republicans' stance on DACA and immigration in general isn't "you're wrong and here's why," it's emojis and "Come on, man."

 

It's not a matter of "don't like" ... it's a matter of "that take is so eye-achingly stupid I can't process it as anything other than a feeble attempt at sarcasm" ...

 

Then make your case for a change. Tom Cotton is basically a lying, sack-of-shit racist.