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I have a terrible confession to make

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by typefitter, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Exactly. The trouble with Moneyball (through no fault of Billy Beane or Michael Lewis) is that it made people, like your unpleasant-sounding colleague, believe that everything could be dissected through statistical analysis. Which led to all sorts of sham number-teering and self-proclaimed "code crackers" who had done no such thing. It worked in baseball, because baseball was ripe for it. Same with the market and so on. But even baseball has some facets that are resistant to statistical analysis. Like, What makes a good manager? It's a classic case of the pendulum making a necessary swing, but now we're in the over-correction phase of the game. I want to help push the pendulum back just a little.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Baseball has always been about poetry and numbers.

    The recent weaponization of numbers isn't just about Bill James, or a reconsideration of what makes a useful statistic.

    It's at least a little about the arrival of personal computing, and the rise of rotisserie baseball, too.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Tom Verducci’s Cubs book emphasized strongly that what Theo Epstein really craves is as much information as possible. Sometimes that means data. Sometimes that means what a guy likes for breakfast.
     
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    As true as that is, Connie Mack and Branch Rickey had just as much access to breakfast information as Theo Epstein.

    It's the postmodern mass of data collection, and the computing mechanism for manipulating it, that they didn't have.

    And 50 years ago, my sandlot buddies and I imagined ourselves almost exclusively as players; only rarely as managers; almost never as general managers.

    That's a recent and relatively huge change to the way people think of baseball.
     
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  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Us, too. And when I realized I was going to peak as the backup middle infielder on my high school team, I went the sports writing route. Today, maybe I go for the front office.
     
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  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Exactly.

    The "statistics" revolution is just another way for smart, thoughtful people to engage the game.

    Those same folks have been filling out scorecards since the 19th century.
     
  7. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    It’s a good thing that the so-called gatekeepers (scouts) have been taken down a notch. But it seems like the playing field has almost been leveled again because every team utilizes advanced stats. Is there any team that lags decidedly? And how have they done?
     
  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Good question.

    I don't know. I don't follow baseball closely enough at the moment to know the data laggards.

    But I think 'Moneyball' as we now understand the term was at least in part about exploiting information asymmetries.

    If everyone now has access to the same information, and the same sophisticated thinkers to break it down, we're sort of back to where we started.
     
  9. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    Great. Baseball is being run by adult fans who wear their gloves to the games.
     
  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I'd be tickled to go back to day games and organ music and cigar smoke and fans in suits and ties and straw skimmers.
     
  11. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Can we get back to the statistics that matter?

    30,884 words.

    *Pete Weber crotch chop*
     
  12. HC

    HC Well-Known Member

    I wrote 623 words for homework this week but they were entirely in Swedish so that must count double, right?
     
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