Running North Korea freakout thread

This is great. The refusal to give any credit to Trump for the progress being made is hysterical.

Like the folks who gave all the credit for the fall of the Soviet Union to Gorbachev, leaving out any credit for Reagan and Bush.

 

Possible, but the Kim dynasty (that's what it is) has survived way, way worse economic situations than the present.

 

This may be a contributing factor.
Nuke test mountain collapse may be why Kim Jong-un actually shut down site
"North Korea’s mountain nuclear test site has collapsed, putting China and other nearby nations at unprecedented risk of radioactive exposure, two separate groups of Chinese scientists studying the issue have confirmed."

 

Trump deserves credit for responding positively to South Korea's initiative by accepting the proposal to meet with Kim, just as Kim deserves the same. But South Korea was the prime actor here. This isn't surprising, they are the party with by far the most to lose.

 

Trump's pressure on both North Korea and China is a contributing factor.

All fair minded analysts agree with this. It's in the news.

 

Fox isn't the news.

 

It is a point very much on contention. What is NOT in contention is the chain of events in the current thaw, which was the South Korean ambassador telling Trump Kim wanted to meet him, then Trump saying yes, then the joint meeting of the two Koreas. It starts with South Korea taking an action with some risk. They didn't know Trump would accept. The missing factor in the equation is China. We don't know their actions in relation to North Korea recently, because they keep that relationship very much on the down low.

 

What if Dennis Rodman saved humanity?

Think of that.

 

1. It's not Gorbachev who's "credited" for it. He's BLAMED for it. No poll ever showed popular support for the breakup.

2. Reagan and Bush had nothing to do with it.

The Soviet Union fell because Gorbachev allowed it to fall.

 

There was obviously popular support for it in the former Soviet Republics that weren't Russia, because they left.