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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Neutral Corner, May 30, 2018
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  2. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    goalmouth, May 30, 2018
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  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Weird:

     
    YankeeFan, May 30, 2018
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  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member



    Friggin' conservatives ... "Can I suggest ... that the sheriff and the district attorney read the Constitution of the United States?"
     
    doctorquant, May 30, 2018
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  5. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    The story that broke yesterday about Trump pressuring Sessions to un-recuse himself may mean that it is Session's testimony which hangs him for obstruction. Session's recusing himself was absolutely a no-brainer for anyone with even a minimal understanding of the normal, at arm's length relationship between the DOJ and the executive, particularly when it involves an investigation of the White House. Trump, of course, has no knowledge and less respect for those norms.





    The comments on that tweet are worth a scan.
     
    Neutral Corner, May 30, 2018
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  6. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    "Rules" and "normal, at arm's length relationship between the DOJ and the executive" does not a broken crime make. Rules are made to be broken, literally by rule-breakers. Doesn't mean that crimes or even impeachable offenses have occurred. The Constitution is not strong enough to overcome the racist traitors in all three branches that seek to limit it.
     
    TigerVols, May 30, 2018
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  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    "An impeachable act is what the House of Representatives says it is" -- Gerald Ford.

    Impeachment is a political act. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is an intentionally vague term. Trump's already done plenty of stuff that falls under the impeachment counts of both Nixon and Clinton (almost forgot, Andrew Johnson too). There is not currently the political will to impeach him. That might change, might not, but it has nothing to do with the law as such.
     
    Michael_ Gee, May 30, 2018
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  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's the Department of Justice. As in, "Qui Pro Domina Justitia Sequitur," i.e. -- Who prosecutes on behalf of Lady Justice.

    Lady Justice is always depicted wearing a blindfold and holding a scale. It's supposed to be about the facts. ... the strengths of a case's support and opposition. And it's supposed to be impartial. The president shouldn't be above our system of justice -- and a president who will obscure, bullshit and lie and try to abuse his power to try to put himself above justice is a disgrace.

    Trump was exactly who they had in mind when they put impeachment into the constitution. Congress may or may not do the right thing, even if Mueller comes back with something compelling. But Trump is not only morally bankrupt and corrupt as a person, he's proven himself plain unfit to hold the office in a way consistent with the values and norms that have defined America from its inception. That is what impeachment exists for.
     
    The Big Ragu, May 30, 2018
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  9. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Why the heck is the " . . . and Misdemeanors" in there anyway?

    "Well, gentleman, the President definitely has engaged in treason, bribery and other high crimes . . . but I just can't find a single misdemeanor he's guilty of. Guess we have to acquit, then."
     
    BTExpress, May 30, 2018
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  10. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    @Michael_ Gee & @The Big Ragu, you both are right, and yet you both are ignoring the complicity of Trump's party (if not Roseanne's). Impeachment nor indictment is simply not going to happen.
     
    TigerVols, May 30, 2018
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's not misdemeanors (or felonies) in the sense most people think.

    The term went way back to the English parliament, post Magna Carta. Officials of the crown brought up for impeachment for "high crimes and misdemeanors," were accused of all kinds of things. ... the one common denominator was that the official had abused the power of his office and was therefore unfit to serve. It could be misappropriating funds, bribery, disobeying an order from Parliament, etc. But the term was a 14th century + way of saying, "He abused his power and should be removed from office."
     
    The Big Ragu, May 30, 2018
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  12. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Hard at work preparing for the summit.

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    HanSenSE, May 30, 2018
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