Kate Spade commits suicide

Doorknobs are deadly.

 

You have to tread lightly on an issue like suicide. Of course, no one hangs themselves unless they are facing a serious struggle within. But it’s not diminishing that to point out the possible crippling effects such action can have on children. No expert, but doesn’t suicide often run through generations within a family? In that context, it’s totally plausible to envision the death sentence CD speaks of.

 

At best, when a parent kills themselves it creates what is called "trauma" in a child. This trauma is actually added together in a points-like system measuring the amount of trauma a child has had in their life.

TSA | Guidelines for developing a trauma-informed school

Trauma-Sensitive Schools: A Whole-School Approach - Trauma Sensitive Schools

 

I think I remember a film about the Hemingways, or an interview with Mariel Hemingway, where I heard the risk for suicide is something like 3x greater in children of parents who completed suicide. Certainly the risk is greater, but it's still a very small percentage who commit suicide. So labeling Spade's suicide as the "murder" of her child seems wrong to me. Certainly it's plausible this child will go on to do the same thing, but I don't think it's probable, particularly if she seeks and receives good mental health care in the coming years.

I'm probably just picking nits on the way it was said. Certainly this child faces a lot of pain in her future, no matter how you slice it.

 

I watched that video - did robin williams die accidentally of auto (aspiration)?

 

Yes, he hung himself.
And not in a David Carradine/Michael Hutchins kind of way.

 

Yes, he purposely ended it.

And apparently Kate Spade watched that show and others about Robin's death very often.

Kate Spade suffered years of mental illness, sister says. Suicide 'not unexpected'

She saw how her sister seemed fixated on Robin Williams on the day, in August 2014, that he committed suicide by hanging.

 

I'm with you on how the OP worded it. And also, murder is an intentional act. I'm willing to bet Kate Spade was not looking to destroy her daughter's future. The truth is, many people who have been lost to suicide believed the world would be better off without them.

 

Mental illness is just that - an illness - but it can be one infuriating illness.

 

Referring to it as murder is of course hyperbole, but I was referring mainly to the person this 13-year-old girl was yesterday when she woke up and who she is today in the wake of her mother’s suicide. That prior incarnation has been effectively killed.

 

What does it say that the suicide thread is less depressing than the politics thread?

 

Where does @YankeeFan spend all his time?