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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    So Trumpists' god, a three-time divorce who bragged about cheating on his wives, is criticizing someone else for infidelity? A draft-dodger is back to ripping a war hero?
    Nice work.
     
  2. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

    There's a difference between making a specific item, a wedding cake, and not a specific item, serving food in a restaurant. Let's go back to Memories Pizza. Liberals were up in arms over the owner saying they would not cater a gay wedding. Mind you, they were never asked to, it was a hypothetical. They could refuse to cater a wedding should they choose, they cannot refuse to serve a gay couple who came into the restaurant for a meal.

    The thing here is conservatives just move on and eat somewhere else. Liberals file lawsuits and whine like children. I'm all for the Red Hen denying Sanders service, and everyone knowing about it. Let the free market decide what happens to their business. I'm all for businesses deciding who they do business with. I just find it hypocritical coming from the side that is all about tolerance and love and "when they go low, we go high" nonsense kicking people out of their business.

    I'm curious, when is the Red Hen going to close for diversity training?
     
  3. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    I think the difference is stereotyping a particular group of people and judging them all, versus weight the character and actions of a specific person and then judging only that person.

    Fucking hilarious from a Trump supporter.

    Yes. Conservatives take it. Only liberals file lawsuits and whine. Do you really believe this clownish worldview?

    Donald Trump Files $500M Lawsuit Against Univision

    Donald Trump Threatens to Sue National Hispanic Media Coalition

    Donald Trump Threatens to Sue Club for Growth Over Ad Campaign

    Opinion | Donald Trump threatens to sue over StopTrump.us T-shirts — but he doesn’t have a case

    Trump lawsuit aims to set record straight on where he slept in Las Vegas



    Donald Trump threatens to sue Jeb Bush donor in Miami who bought anti-Trump ads

    Trump’s bad bet: How too much debt drove his biggest casino aground

    Trump Says He'll Probably Sue Over Iowa Results, Accuses Cruz Of "Voter Fraud"

    Donald Trump Threatens 'Birther' Lawsuit Against Ted Cruz

    Cruz on Trump lawsuit threat: Bring it on

    Trump's Threat To Sue Over Louisiana Delegates Reveals Organizational Weakness

    Opinion | Trump threatened to sue the AP over Panama condo story

    http://www.cjr.org/first_person/donald_trump_lawsuit_new_york_times.php

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...eatens-the-ghostwriter-of-the-art-of-the-deal

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes-legal-case-new-york-times.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/politics/donald-trump-lawsuit-threat.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html
     
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  4. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    Conservatives just move on, eat somewhere else and bitch about it on official government Twitter accounts. That SHS is a regular John Wayne.
     
  5. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Even if only 20 percent of Americans "think" like @Rainman, and I suspect it's a greater percentage than that, I don't really get how you can begin to attempt to make things better.

    I will never in a million years understand how "liberal" became an insult in your country.
     
  6. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    They just move on and have their daddy and their boss rush to their side and rant to the whole world. Just movin' on.
     
  7. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    It's at least a plurality of Republican voters. That's why we elected Talk Radio to the White House.
     
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  8. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    The cake maker did not refuse the couple service, and SCOTUS didn’t rule on that point anyway.
     
  9. dirtybird

    dirtybird Well-Known Member

    Man, you must really hate the trade war we’ve got going on. At least there’s something most of us can agree on in this world.
     
  10. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    He obliterated the point you tried to make earlier and all you've got is a twist on "get help." It was just too much to ask that you offer a genuine thought on his point.
     
  11. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    He’s not worth too many of my words. I have plenty of better things to spend my time on.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Probably around the time that most people's understanding of the word changed from what John Locke meant by it to what Herbert Croly meant by it. We're a country that was founded on individual rights. It was liberal to think that people should be free, economically and socially, with everyone having equal rights (yes, I know we have a history of not living up that ideal, so no need to have that discussion) and civil liberties that protected every person from a king or some other form of government oppressing them. If that is what you mean, I'd say I am a proud liberal. A civil libertarian.

    During the last century, though, liberalism morphed into something quite different. And those types of liberals are more like Donald Trump than they realize. The ideals might be different than Donald Trump's populist bullshit that in his mind makes him a king ruling by decree -- he, and only he, can make everyone's lives great (believe me!). But just because you label the things you want to force on everyone "progressive" rather than , say,"nationalistic," doesn't change the fact that you are making every individual secondary to an obtrusive government. ... one, that over decades impinged more and more on people economically and socially in a paternalistic way that made a lot of people feel oppressed.

    In any case, those kinds of "liberals" usually don't get how similar they are to Trump in terms of their means (not their intended ends). They also don't get that they they are the antithesis of the "life, liberty and property" kind of liberal who thought people should be left alone economically and socially to live the way THEY want, as long as they aren't impinging on others' rights.
     
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