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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

  2. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Tesla's Biggest Bear Says Musk 'Misleading' on Model 3 Production

    It's Gordon Johnson (has written some devastating reports about Tesla's balance sheet) talking his book, so take it for what it is worth.

    But here is the thing about that 5,000 Model 3 thing (my take). ... It's classic Elon Musk gaslighting. For the last several weeks, he had everyone talking about an arbitrary number -- 5,000 cars a week by the end of the quarter. They haven't gotten to a sustainable production rate of 5,000 cars a week. They killed themselves to do it ONCE, and technically they didn't even accomplish the goal. They were hand assembling cars in their parking lot, working around the clock, killing their workers to meet an arbitrary goal by an arbitrary deadline. There is a reason most car manufacturing is automated. It's not just a cost thing. It's a quality control thing. As another analyst I heard on Bloomberg yesterday morning put it, he wouldn't want to take delivery of one of those cars, because the quality is going to reflect the haphazard way it was produced.

    In any case, the gaslighting thing is this: Musk had everyone talking about whether he could or couldn't produce 5,000 cars in a week by the end of the quarter. For Musk, that meant people weren't talking about his crappy balance sheet, the fact that his company still hasn't earned a profit 8 years (almost to the day) since it went public, and the fact that he has burned through billions of dollars of other people's money and the cash burn rate is such that he is going to need to do another capital raise soon to keep his hot mess going. BTW, that 5,000 cars a week -- even if he had really reached it (and you have to play loose with the facts to accept that he did)? Ford produces that many cars in a few hours, and theirs don't come with quality questions attached to them.
     
  4. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    When I went in to my local car repair place, the owner said he just came back from a conference where he was told to be ready for human-driven cars to be legislated off the roads in 20 years.

    He said once 40% of the cars are driverless, then the government will step in. That is what they are preparing for in the automotive industry. I could see countries like France, Japan and England getting there in under 20 years.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Maybe. But there are logistical issues that really need to be worked out. I have brought this up a few times on this thread. ... Take a place like Manhattan (New York). It's controlled chaos when you drive around midtown Manhattan. You have cars making their own rules and pedestrians and bikes darting in and out of traffic. Self-driving cars, as they exist right now, have sensitive sensors to try make certain that pedestrians don't get hit. If that was every car on 7th Avenue in midtown Manhattan, knowing that the self-driving cars aren't going to hit them, pedestrians would just cross streets (not even at crosswalks) whenever and wherever they want, and there would be something worse than gridlock.

    There are logistical things like that, which make me think we still need to figure out a lot before the predictions people have right now become reality. Also, the rate of technological change has shot through the roof just within the last several decades. There is no way to know right now what kinds of things we aren't even visualizing well today that will be the norm in 20 years. I mean, what if automobiles (self driving or otherwise) are obsolete by then, because everyone has a flying Jetson's mobile?
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Agreed.

    The next step in this process has to be 'smart' highways. Autonomous cars and trucks alone won't work.
     
  7. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Where I live new signs have been installed on all numbered county roads, so drivers can coordinate with GPS.

    I don't know about everywhere, but likely major cities will be the first to mostly exclude human-driven vehicles, especially if there's a quick buck to be made.
     
  8. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't automated cars also be limited in their ability to any laws or regulations?
    If a car cannot break a traffic law, is incapable of breaking a traffic law, you decrease the number of traffic cops necessary.
    Those cops, or some of them, would be reassigned to pedestrian patrol, until such time as people become enculturated to understand that pedestrian rules are important to the smooth flow of traffic.

    It is hard to imagine how long something like this might take. 20 year seems very ambitious but I do think it'll happen in my lifetime.
    NYC traffic is crazy, but think of places such as Manilla and Lagos. I use those examples because I've witness the traffic in those cities firsthand.

    In fact, when we were in Nigeria we were asked to attend a community meeting about traffic laws and their role in limiting accidents.
    A gentleman asked me: If I came to a stop sign at a four-way intersection and saw now other vehicles and no people and no police, would I stop.
    I said yes.
    He said, what if you could see, unobstructed, for a mile in every direction. There are no other cars, no people, no cops. Would I stop?
    I said, probably yes. I just automatically stop at a stop sign. I don't really think about it; I just do it.
    And he laughed, literally, in my face.
     
  9. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    37,000 people die on American roads each year. 2.35 million more injured each year.

    1.3 million deaths and 30 million injured world wide.

    Road Crash Statistics

    Those are staggering numbers.
     
  10. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

  11. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    OK, I'm really not trying to diminish the emotion and tragedy of traffic deaths.
    But statistically speaking, it's a matter of scale.
    When you look at total population in the US and worldwide and the total hours of road time, considering it is an inherently dangerous activity ...

    That is not to say that we should not strive to improve traffic safety, but there are a lot of people logging a lot of road time. When you look at volume numbers, the traffic deaths and injuries are going to look big.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    In 1960, it was . . . 36, 399.

    In 1969, it was 53,543.

    Our population has nearly doubled since then, and the number of miles driven nearly quintupled.

    Automobiles are safer than ever.
     
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