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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    That's the crazy thing. Let's say Trump truly is innocent in all this. If he was, then why was he acting like such a chickenshit throughout the investigation?
     
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  2. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    The old "If you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide and won't mind us poking around your house theory?"
    Looking at it objectively, I think part of it is he recognizes that any tangential connection to Russia is going to be blown up into something much bigger and worse no matter what he does. For a guy who has had business dealings all over the world, there are almost certainly going to be a lot of those tangential connections. We've already seen that. This whole thing started with a 24-hour visit to Moscow that was turned into a sketchy dossier, a urine-soaked sex tape, and a two-year investigation. Conversations with Russians are turned into ironclad proof of collusion, no matter what was said or how brief it was.
    Also, unlike other politicians who long ago learned to turn the other cheek, Trump doesn't subscribe to that theory. He fights back. It's who he is, and whether you think it's foolish, unpresidential or blowhardy there's no denying that it's served him very well. It's what carried him to the nomination and ultimately got him elected.
    Couple those two things with the stark reality that it's not paranoia -- there really are people out to get him and end his presidency; a hell of a lot of them from a lot of sides, in fact -- and it makes no sense for him to roll over and give his political enemies carte blanche to destroy him. They'd do it in a heartbeat, and they've proven that actual facts aren't a big obstacle.
     
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  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I don’t know what this means.
     
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  4. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Isn't this why everyone was convinced Hillary was dirty? That she fought back so hard on Whitewater and other things?
     
  5. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    He carped his words from Wikipedia. Mindless chaos ensued.
     
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  6. Tarheel316

    Tarheel316 Well-Known Member

    I thought corporations were people. /blue font
     
  7. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    Are there people out to end his presidency? Yep. And they are justified. Your boy is unqualified, dishonest, hypocritical and counterproductive to the country.
    The issue is not blowing conversations out of proportion. The issue is the fact that months ago, the Senate, which has a Trumpist majority, voted almost unanimously impose sanctions on Mother Russia. Your boy has failed to act on several of those directives outlined in the passed legislation. Doesn't that, by itself, give you pause?
     
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  8. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    This is a flat-out lie, as opposed to the deliberate word-twisting of YF's other posts
     
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  9. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    If somebody looks into your eyes and states, unequivocally, that they're going to kill you, would you then hand them a loaded gun and show them how to use it? That's basically what Trump "not fighting" the investigation would be.

    As for not blowing conversations out of proportion, bull. Shit.
    Trump has a tendency to think out loud and spitball when he'd best be served to lapse into politician-nothingspeak. The media has a tendency to take those comments way too literally and run with them instead of reading between the lines for his tone and body language. He's done it a few times on immigration, where he was obviously talking about an idea he hadn't fully fleshed out yet, and by the end of the day it was spun into a policy that would take effect tomorrow. The campaign joke about "Why don't you ask the Russians where they (Hillary's missing e-mails) are?" is another example. Anyone with a lick of common sense could tell from his tone that he was throwing out a zinger, and not a bad one at that. It turned into a full week or more of, "TRUMP ADMITS THAT HE'S BEEN COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS TO HACK HILLARY'S E-MAILS!!!"
    It might be part of the reason the smokiest parts of the investigation haven't gotten the fiery results Trump's opponents would like. Half the country doesn't see it as some noble quest for the truth. They see it as one political faction trying to tear down another no matter the cost, and they've started to question how much is truth and how much is bullshit, as well as whether something is -- pardon the pun -- being trumped up into something it's not. And they're not entirely wrong.
     
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  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  11. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Listened to a really good Gladwell podcast today that talked about Texas having the ability to divide into four more states and thus add more senators.

    He also ended by saying the majority of Texas is turning blue.
     
  12. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    The media shouldn’t take the Presidents words seriously? This is really your argument? Maybe the goddamn president should be smart enough to choose his words wisely. You know, like an intelligent adult not like a high school dropout.
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