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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    Interest rates raised to help tamp down inflation.

    You see the prices of stuff goods like refrigerators? Crap like that has gotten a lot more expensive since we started winning the tariff wars.
     
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I think that's as close as we're going to get to "I voted for a D" and I was wrong. We're just never going to get a presidential admission.

    But those bad Rs need to repent!

    I honestly could never tell.

    Any time I go to Home Depot there will always be the $3,200 "People pay that much for a refrigerator?!?" models and the $550 "that's more like it" models. What the "average" price is doing, I haven't a clue.
     
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  3. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Any word from the Golden Bidet?
     
  4. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    I voted for John Edwards for the Senate. Bill Clinton for POTUS. Both turned out to embarrass the country.
     
  5. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Now down almost 850. Pushing hard for the final bell.
     
  6. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Like I asked you: Name a bad Democratic president that people here might have voted for.

    You can't fucking do it. Obama was boring, competent, and fine. The most you have on Clinton was an Oval Office blowie, but the country was in a magical time. Jimmy Carter was a good man in a bad situation. Johnson was fucking crazy, but: Civil Rights Act! John F. Kennedy was John F. Kennedy. You think many people here were voting before 1960?

    The Republicans have to own Trump, W., and Nixon. It's not even a fair fight.
     
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  7. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    The fucking comments on this tweet are priceless.

     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Of course the crazy move over the last month in yields (and it has zero to do with inflation) has been on the long end of the curve -- taking the 10 year and the 30 year up dramatically. And the Fed doesn't control, or "raise" those yields with the overnight rate. They are stuck following the market unless they directly intervene (via asset buying) and set price controls. They did hold down yields for a decade, by buying up $4.5 trillion worth of bonds (and driving yields down to a low of about 1 3/8 on the 10 year at the low). They are now trying to end that scheme. And the ECB and BOJ, which are still buying up debt assets (and in the case of Japan, outright buying equities) have made it clear that they want to extricate themselves.

    Their problem is that an immense amount of debt that has built up worldwide, much of it really poor quality. It's a way bigger problem that people realize -- at least until the credit crises hit. The entities that have borrowed (corporate, some governments, consumers) are going to drown in their debt if real rates reach the neutral rate -- wherever that isAnd that is going to happen, either with those central banks allowing it to happen, or them losing control and the market doing it in a very disorderly way.

    The last time this started to happen, in 2015, a confluence of things happened to allow the charade to go on a bit longer -- making the misallocations of capital on the back of the trillions of dollars of credit they have created out of thin air that much greater (almost 3 years worth). The Fed handed off the asset buying (or quantitative easing, as they call it) to the European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan, then, which became the prime global credit creation machines, taking the baton from the Fed. Then Trump got elected and passed a massive tax cut, and that led to massive stock buyback programs with the found money. By then, in stocks, it had become a mania over 5 to 7 years. And the mania took it to valuations that are scary.

    Unless the world's central banks can figure out how to keep creating more and more credit (while destroying global currencies) again, the market (what a concept) is going to wrestle control of longer term rates from their control. If that happens, stocks are going down a lot more than this. It is going to shock people. This is the biggest bubble they have ever engineered. They can try the plunge protection team, but that can only give temporary relief -- UNLESS central banks can figure out a new scheme to institute price controls on long-term yields, and keep credit flowing to every dogshit entity on earth. EVENTUALLY, sooner or later, that ends with a credit crisis, unfortunately.
     
  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    John Edwards. How quaint.
     
  10. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    I bought one year t bills this morning at 2.75% YTM.

    Think, for the last decade, about the crappy interest rates that cash holders have had to suffer through. 2.75% is not bad.
     
  11. John B. Foster

    John B. Foster Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed this response:

     
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  12. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I think Swift and Perry both will have issues doing that if they don't actually do more with their life than what they're doing. Neither is a great singer and Swift borders on bad live.

    Swift makes perfectly fine music and, because she grew up rich and simultaneously almost painfully self-aware and in the spotlight, she's able to articulate a lot of crummy feelings into one-liners and songs that sound like "one of us," but just a little bit wealthier and more refined, which, secretly remains a kind of American dream for some. Relatable - but just beyond reach. She's good at that. Her life was, uh, taylor-made for it, if you will.
     
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