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Hell, a great many were dems up until only a couple years ago, judging by the vast number of counties that overwhelmingly supported Obama that Trump won. A fact that rather clearly undermines the whole "Trump supporters are all racists" narrative.

 

There is no "Trump supports are all racist." narrative.


But yes - nearly all racists are Trump supporters.

 

Roe v Wade is 1973.

Lobbing Donald Trump like a grenade into the halls of power to express their dissatisfaction 45 years later seems like kind of a stretch.

Did white blue-collar union workers leave the party? Or did the party leave them?

 

From my own observations (nothing scientific, mind you), I've long thought the fastest-growing political demographic is fiscally conservative (or at least prudent), socially progressive but also not afraid of spending at the local level for schools/roads/parks/business — quality-of-life things that they can see impacting them and their community. The problem is that group doesn't seem to have a voice right now in national, or in some cases state-wide politics, so the so-called bases of the parties (especially in the GOP) don't allow people like that to get through the primaries.

 

They had good jobs in 1973 so they didn't care. They were getting theirs.

Well, for starters, there are hardly any blue collar unions anymore, which essentially made these people free agents.

Secondly, you think about Joe Buttcrack, who already feels neglected by Washington, and then he turns his TV and see Democrats fighting for gay marriage. Think he's happy with what he's seeing? His Father was a democrats because he saw FDR fighting for the rights of workers -- in other words, him. Now he sees them fighting for trans bathrooms.

 

This is so much horseshit. Is it just because I'm old that I remember how well George Wallace did with those blue collar whites. Or Reagan Democrats? Blue collar whites have been leaving the Democratic party since the '60s and always for the same reason -- they don't want racial equality. If they had to share the benefits of the New Deal with people of color, then they'd rather do without the New Deal.

 

Fixed it for you.

You mean the wing that says people who aren’t church-going white Anglo-Saxon Protestants still deserve to be treated like they’re equal members of the human race?

 

“Hi, I’m the Republican nominee for governor and my opponent is black. Thank you for your time.”

 

I know I've said this before, but after seeing things like this, I really can't wait to read the books that will be coming out about this administration when this s-show is done.

And I hope my bladder will be big and full enough to be able to piss over every square inch of his grave.

 

You're wrong. They don't want equality with anyone who isn't like them. They don't want gays to marry. They don't want blacks or Hispanics to get anything and they're entirely too stupid to understand let alone empathize with what a transgendered person is yet totally buy the "icky shemale is in the public bathroom to try and molest your kid!!!111!" nonsense. They buy the BS about Black Lives Matter being a hate group and babble about illegal immigrants arriving here and practically being handed food stamps and free healthcare at the border. Know what else? They hate ESPN for giving Kaitlyn Jenner an award and think they and sites like Deadspin should "STICK TWO SPROTS!" They hate Michael Sam for simply being Michael Sam, but they think Tim Tebow got a raw deal. I see it every holiday season in my own family. Hell, I saw an unfortunate amount of people who I grew up with melt down on social media when gay marriage was made legal. In the meantime, the same Catholic church that many of them patronize weekly is in a never-ending sexual abuse scandal and their response is usually, "well, MY church hasn't had any issues..."

 

Well, I wrote "were Democrats 25 years ago" for a reason. It's when Bill Clinton took office. It's when the issue started to become radically politicized - even if Reagan, etc, made it a major issue in the 1980s, too - because of political talk radio.

But...it wouldn't be fair to say the 1994 "republican revolution" was primarily about abortion. It wasn't. It was, to be fair, about a lot of things - that I didn't agree with - and some of those were bound up in worldviews about poor people that I find wrong.

At any rate, I think that voting bloc of folks has moved from national candidate to national candidate over the years. Some - I know them - voted for Obama and Trump. Which makes no real sense at all. But, there you have it.

 

I'd agree with this. They're not really libertarians in the classic fiscal sense, and they're more socially liberal than fiscally conservative. Yes, this group is growing, especially those in their 40s and 30s.

Is it a problem that they don't have a national voice? I don't know. It's too much individualism for me. I don't trust it, much like I don't tend to trust a lot of nonprofits that lack the transparency of government yet provide the same "services." At the end of the day I think you need good statewide and nationwide social nets to make America function well. I don't want a America built on patronage and celebrity. I fear it.