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2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Della9250, Jul 17, 2018.

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  1. X-Hack

    X-Hack Well-Known Member

    Baines is in. Mattingly and Evans -- far superior players who played in higher profile markets (Chicago is a big market but the White Sox were a pretty anonymous franchise those years) -- aren't. Dale Murphy, who played on a superstation, isn't in. My point was that the NY/Boston bias theory is pretty overhyped.
     
    X-Hack, Dec 11, 2018
    #145
  2. John B. Foster

    John B. Foster Well-Known Member

    ESPN laid Stark off in April 2017. Since then, he's killed it for The Athletic.

    Congratulations and well deserved.
     
    John B. Foster, Dec 11, 2018
    #146
  3. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    I can’t wait to read baines’ hall plaque. I am sure it will have something along the lines of from 1980 to 1999, he was second in hits and whatever stats were found to prop up his career. But then what? No championships, no major awards...wait, hold up, he is a two time winner of the Edgar Martinez Award. You know the award named after a guy still waiting on the outside.

    Fun trivia since it would be awesome if Edgar gets mentioned on baines’ plaque: frank Selee was mentioned on a HOF plaque for morevthan 50 years before he, himself, was inducted. Whose plaque was he named on?
     
    cyclingwriter2, Dec 11, 2018
    #147
  4. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    That layoff was hard to understand, given ESPN's ties to baseball. No one is more upbeat about the sport they cover. He even made Mike & Mike tolerable when he'd go on for his weekly spot and impossible trivia question.
     
    playthrough, Dec 11, 2018
    #148
  5. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Harold Douglas Baines
    Chicago, A.L. 1980-89, 1996-97, 2000-01; Texas, A.L. 1989-90; Oakland, A.L. 1990-92;
    Baltimore, A.L. 1993-95;1997-99, 2000; Cleveland A.L., 1999

    Over a 22-year career that was split between right field and designated hitter, the sweet-swinging Baines made six All-Star teams, including one at the age of 40, earned a Silver Slugger Award in 1989 and won back-to-back Designated Hitter of the Year Awards in 1987-88. Among the leaders in several offensive categories for a DH, he rapped out 2,866 hits, 384 home runs and 488 doubles while driving in 1,628 runs. A career .289 hitter, Baines raised his game in the postseason to the tune of a .324 batting average and played for the 1990 pennant-winning Athletics.
     
    Della9250, Dec 11, 2018
    #149
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  6. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    White Sox made AlCS in 1983 against the Orioles, had Cy Young winner in Hoyt, ROYs in Ron Kittle and Ozzie Guillen in back to back years IIRC, and of course had Pudge Fisk. They werent the Red Sox or Yankees, but I’d stop way short of calling them anonymous.
     
    CD Boogie, Dec 11, 2018
    #150
  7. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Same with Tony Lazzeri
     
    CD Boogie, Dec 11, 2018
    #151
  8. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Spot on. Though you forgot “had a much envied beard.”
     
    CD Boogie, Dec 11, 2018
    #152
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  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    And that’s the biggest reason why Baines induction is a travesty of a mockery of a sham. He’s in before Edgar Martinez, who was better at the same position.
     
    heyabbott, Dec 11, 2018
    #153
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  10. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    Slacker, Dec 11, 2018
    #154
  11. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    This whole “issue” highlights the major problem the Hall has faced for decades. It created too many doors to get in and yet they all lead to the same room.

    And that confuses and angers the average fan who goes, “they won’t put in dale Murphy or Richie Allen or Gil Hodges, but they put in Harold Baines,” but don’t realize that the “they” aren’t always the same people voting.
     
    cyclingwriter2, Dec 12, 2018
    #155
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know if anyone has had this idea, it probably isn't that novel. But I was thinking the other day when all of the outrage was in full force that one thing they could do was limit the players eligible via that committee to players who either peaked out at more than 30 or 40 or 50 percent of the vote when they were eligible or who stayed on the ballot more than say 6 or 7 years. At least then they'll be choosing from players who were at least getting consideration from a fair number of voters while their careers were fresh in people's minds relative to their peers. In effect, it makes it so that the Hall expands from something that used to be really exclusive to something where many of the borderline players who used to fall short now get in, but at least it would narrow the door in, as you put it.
     
    The Big Ragu, Dec 12, 2018
    #156
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