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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    Every time I think @Starman has gone off the deep end again, the president steps up and reminds me the guy is probably more right than wrong.
     
  2. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Christmas dips are fun!
     
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  3. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Remember, with Fatfuck, everything is projection.

    Last night, out of a clear black sky, Mnuchin tells the banks: "Don't you worry about the money supply!!
    All is well!!"

    This morning, after his 16th Egg McMuffin, Fatboy is back on the story of the Mooslim Neegro Shipping Off PALLETS OF CASH!! Yes, PALLETS OF CASH!!
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The treasury doesn't control the money supply. The Federal Reserve does. Steve Mnuchin has as much as ability to create credit (or expand the money supply) as you or I do. Now if you wanted to tell me that Mnuchin somehow has Jay Powell and his merry band of monetary mandarins in his back pocket, maybe you'd be onto some hidden conspiracy. But Mnuchin is getting chewed out daily by an orange moron precisely because Jay Powell has been decreasing the money supply (after 9 years in which they created a massive and reckless amount of credit with their actions) by slowly continuing to raise the Fed Funds rate and continuing with letting $50 billion of expiring maturities a month roll off the massive balance sheet the Fed spent 9 years building. In the scheme of things, they are moving at a snail's pace. But our markets got so addicted to their crack cocaine that even a small withdrawal is causing a freak out.

    The Fed actually is the problem. But the problem was how much mispriced credit they flooded the economy with for 9 years, and how that money was misallocated because they destroyed all price discovery in our markets. Everyone loved the phoniness while they were creating the fantasy. Guess what, it came with a price to pay. Even with the Fed Funds rate where it is, it is still hundreds of basis points below whatever the neutral rate would be. Money is still free in real terms. But that isn't good enough anymore, because they, in all of their wisdom, created distortions across our economy.

    One result of what they did was that they blew bubbles in all kinds of risk assets, including US equities. What you have seen in the last few weeks is nothing. Our equity markets are still way overvalued. This is what happens when you price fix the cost of money for nearly a decade to encourage excessive debt levels. But concentrating on just the stock market right now is missing the point. Credit spreads are blowing out, and the end of the road is a credit crisis. That is where the real damage to our economy is lying. And it is an inevitability. People begging the Fed to step back in and distort the credit markets more by reversing course are asking for more of the same. It means an even BIGGER credit crisis when it ends. It's stupid beyond belief. They should have never kept rates in nominal terms pinned at zero for 8 years and done trillions of dollars worth of quantitative easing (bond buying). With every day, month, year they kept our markets distorted, and people were blindly happy because Netflix stock (as the company was borrowing insane amounts of money) was making new highs on the back of it, they were creating an even bigger economic catastrophe at the end of it. We should never have been sitting where we are today. But since we are, the smartest thing to do is swallow the medicine of the deleveraging that is coming sooner rather than later. Because trying to prop it up with even more debt, if they can even manage to get away with it at this point, means an even nastier deleveraging when the house of cards collapses on its own. What you are seeing right now is nothing. This is going to have severe global economic consequences.
     
  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    P-E ration for S&P 500 is slightly over 18:1. A tad elevated by historic standards, but not unduly so.
    2. Had the Fed not done what it did, there were two possible outcomes. The government could have issued the same amount of fiscal stimulus, which you also would have hated, but I will grant you would have been subject to voter scrutiny in a way the Fed is not or there would have been another Great Depression. I don't think any of us would've liked that.
     
  6. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    If anything, this past week of dangerous tantrums by the racist traitor in chief has perhaps brought into play state actors who might find that the continuation of Trump roaming this earth is an existential crisis for them.

    If I’m the Secret Service, I immediately start drawing up POTUS protection plans against hidden threats from Great Britain, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and several NATO states.
     
  7. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    When pundits warn against Dems impeaching Trump because it would be "overreach" you gotta think, if this monster hasn't given reason for impeachment, then who?
     
  8. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    And another one falls into the trap of getting into the sewer with Trump. You won't win because the audience is already decided, and you just sink to his level. Make a deal!
     
  9. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    It's bear baiting. They see he's breaking down and they're trying to send him over the edge.
     
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  10. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Trump: He's no Harold Baines
     
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  11. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    It's a foolish strategy. There is no edge. You will never out-Trump Trump, but will sully yourself in the process.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    He is deteriorating mentally and emotionally (probably physically, too). Given the powers of the President of the United States, this literally poses a threat to human civilization. This has to be made apparent to more and more people by whatever means necessary.
    PS: Trump's reneged on so many deals. His word is shit. You cannot negotiate with someone like that. He could've had $25 billion for the damn wall last spring in the DACA deal, agreed to it, and then got talked out of it by the little Nazi Miller. He is not a normal person, let alone President, and cannot be thought of in those terms.
     
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