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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Very Republican.
     
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  2. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  3. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    6. Ignore everything said by Marcy Wheeler, Popehat, Seth Abramson, the Brothers Krassenstein, Eric Garland, etc.
     
  4. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Watching all the usual cable news suspects filling time waiting for the report to be released reminds me why I don't watch the NFL draft.
     
  5. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

  6. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  8. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Yeah, there’s basically been two facts: 1. Mueller gave the report to Barr; and 2. Mueller isn’t recommending any more indictments.

    They’re spending hours spewing mostly bullshit theories and psychoanalysis. Do some actual reporting for once.
     
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  9. SoloFlyer

    SoloFlyer Well-Known Member

    Mueller can still pursue indictments if something changes with an active case. If Manafort, Jerome Corsi, or others change their minds and start cooperating, it could lead to new developments and possible indictments. Mueller's staff is still working those cases as they go through the judicial process.

    There are also numerous other active investigations that are ongoing in other areas that were spun off from Mueller's investigation, including multiple surrounding Trump and his family.

    What's done is the principal collusion investigation, the reason Mueller was hired as Special Counsel.

    It would not surprise me to see that the findings are that while Trump may not have specifically known details, he actively courted unethical people who promised to help him take down Clinton by any means necessary. And then when the investigation started, he actively sought to obstruct and undermine it. I think Mueller has enough on Trump obstruction that if he were not the President, he'd have been indicted.
    But since that's murky legal territory, Mueller will instead lay out the obstruction and recommend Congress take the action it deems appropriate.

    The fantasy of seeing Trump hauled off in handcuffs was never realistic. But I think finally having all the details of his scumminess and obstruction laid out all at once in black and white will do substantial damage.
     
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  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  11. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    The best thing for the country is if Barr sits on the report. If trump doesn’t want it released it means it is terrible. And it probably isn’t that bad. The Russians influenced media coverage, members of the campaign were engaged in self interested dealings with foreign governments, mainly Russia. The campaign was so disorganized that it’s impossible to say anything was coordinated.

    But the longer it stays hidden the more the worst is inferred. Then Barr will release a redacted report based on national security. Obviously a joke since trump gave the nuclear code and missile deployments to Putin directly.

    Trump will make this worse than it should be. And that only helps the country
     
  12. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    There's nothing to report until the report is released. It's all fluff until then.

    As to "Mueller says that he won't make any more indictments", we don't know what that means until then either. If there are sealed indictments, they won't be unsealed before the report is released. In some cases where an investigation is still active, they might not be released until those cases are near completion. It is also possible that Mueller does not need to make more indictments because he knows that a number of them are coming down from SDNY, EDVA, and the DC court.

    If the report is released in its entirety and Trump is cleared, then some of the "It's over" talk is justified - but I still see a number of indictments from other sources on the way. If the report is released in an edited/abridged form, odds are that more is yet to come.
     
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