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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    I hope we’re in the party at the restaurant phase of all this with Trump and Co. playing the role of the Black Sox and the SDNY playing the role of Judge Landis.
     
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  2. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I refuse to discuss this issue any further until the actual report, or as much of it that isn't classified, is released, because until then, we're all just jerking off.
     
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  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    People will still be jerking off, even if the report is released.

    For some, this is just an exercise to get Trump out. For others, it is an exercise to try to give his presidency legitimacy. Those people are all hyenas.

    At the end of the day, there is an objective truth about whether Trump was in cahoots with Russia on the crap they pulled. He probably wasn't. Common sense should have told most people that is likely. Trump, and the clowns he was surrounded with, aren't that smart. And Putin isn't that stupid to leave his fingerprints on it with an assclown who screws up everything.

    Put all of that aside, though, and Robert Mueller was never the arbiter of what Donald Trump is. ... a bullshit artist and a grifter and a morally bankrupt person, who has turned the presidency into a joke.

    It's up to Americans to see that for themselves, if they are willing, and try to undo the damage we've done to ourselves. If people don't want to do that, though, America will continue to get what it deserves. No one should have expected Robert Mueller (who as a person, appears to be the anti-Trump; not infallible, but an honest man) to be the instrument to do what America won't do for itself. People shouldn't have ever wanted one man to play a role people won't play for themselves.
     
  4. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Ragu, I'm surprised you haven't posted about the inverted yield curve yet.
     
  6. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Eh, I don't think liberals were looking at him as a corrective for some failure on their part; they were looking at him as a corrective for some failure on the GOP's part. I don't know what I was exactly expecting with the release of the report, but man it's a colossal let down, if only bc of the types of people who are wildly celebrating.
     
  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Those are the same people who were celebrating the GOP victory in the midterms even on Election Night. Odds are better than even money Trump does some new batshit thing to drive this story to page five before the week is out.
     
  8. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

  9. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing the constant churn from his legal team and the uncertainty by those around him was due mostly to their lack of faith in Trump's honesty?

    I really doubt Barr would go out on a limb in terms of spinning a report that will be made public.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    No one on here gives a shit. I didn't post about Jay Powell doing more of a pirouette than a Russian ballerina on steroids, either. Even though the mess the monetary mandarins around the world created, has had way more longer-lasting impact on people's lives than anything Donald Trump could do (short of starting a nuclear war). They are the source of populism and discontent in the world. Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren don't exist without them, even though most people struggling along don't understand the actual cause of their problems.

    Whether we are in a recession is beside the point. Nobody outlawed the business cycle. And honestly, it's hard to know precisely what an inversion between the 3 mo/10 year means in such a ridiculously manipulated environment. We have never seen anything as upside down as what they have given us.

    But aside from recession talk, what actually matters is how bad things are going to get when everyone does drown in the immense amount of credit they created worldwide (which was ridiculously, poorly allocated because all of the price signals that have been destroyed) this time around. The business cycle they have created is a world of massive risk asset bubbles on the boom side, which they have now overtly admitted they exist to keep propped up (their true mandate), with Powell taking just 3, 4 months to completely flip flop. None of the artificiality of the last decade has reached the real economy. It created some wealth disparity, that's mostly it. What comes next is all of the margin / leverage behind that artificiality imploding and the bubbles deflating (and some of that fake wealth drifting away like a fart in the wind). Unfortunately, just like in 2008, the real economy is going to have to pay the price without ever having gotten a benefit from their lunacy.

    I will (not go out on a much of a limb and) guess they try more asset buying before too long to artificially prop up the phony asset prices that they care about, also cut the overnight lending rate of course, maybe do the batshit thing and punish saving to the point where you not only don't get a return for lending money, you get charged (negative rates). But that can't work at a certain point when the amount of debt you have already created has passed a threshold, and there is too much distress. It should have never gotten to that, but just like with Donald Trump, America (and the rest of the world) has gotten what it deserves.

    As for the inversion. ... I won't say too much because nobody gives a shit, and I will come off in a way I don't intend to. But I have been positioned for it for a year +, and I didn't have to try to divine how long Powell would be able to get into rate hikes / quantitative tightening before he panicked and had to reverse course to go all in. They boxed themselves in a long time ago.

    I'll just say that I wouldn't want to be running a regional bank right now. You are getting absolutely plowed by those idiots on your net interest margins. Regardless of what you think about how much they have fucked up our capital markets (or how someone could profit from their stupidity), that kind of environment is just miserably bad for the long-term health of the global economy. People may be waking up to that right now. Or maybe not. At this point, given the extent they have destroyed price discovery in the debt markets, it may take a mushroom cloud before the "a ha" moment shifts the greed / fear equation.
     
  11. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    In summary...
     
  12. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    They expected it because the media (and comedy shows and late-night TV shows) hammered it home day after day, night after night, that Mueller was a potential savior.

    And that's part of the story here. Fox News has long been pernicious. It remains so. It has altered the American landscape in not-good ways.

    But here we have something closer to the opposite. This has been a big whiff. Too much attention was paid to what Mueller could do to Trump - not what Mueller was hired to do. Now, you'll see the pivot to "real purpose," as if that's the issue hundreds of media orgs had been hammering home each day.

    There's a chance, and I'd say not a small one, that this nonsense gets Trump a second term. Of all the things people could have focused on, they pursued this one most hotly.

    The full report will give us the final answer, but it would appear the general media came at the king...and missed.
     
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