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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Her point is the clause. It's shaming people who'd ask the obvious question about why a terrorist should get to vote by suggesting a question makes you a loser.

    It's also a perfectly valid question. To Bernie Sanders' credit, he says, "yeah, sure, everyone." I don't agree with him, and I wonder why in the hell he settled there, but I appreciate the sincerity.

    But in the time since he said it - because it looks bad and prompts, you know, obvious questions - you've seen the "you shouldn't even ask that question" argument. You see the subtle alteration there? If I could point to a concern I'd have with the Democratic Party going forward - not for 2020 president, exactly, but beyond - it's that kind of shitty thinking.
     
  2. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Now I’m confused.

    The majority of anti-abortion folks I know would probably be more likely to pause on your scenario than the abortion that involved a healthy mother with a 3-month-old fetus she choose to abort because she doesn’t want to continue the pregnancy.

    What’s interesting is, in your zeal to debate a very specific kind of abortion, you’re proving my point on the voting terrorist question.
     
  3. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    If that was the case, then why the angst from the anti-abortion crowd over recent legislation in New York and North Carolina that protected a woman’ right to choose a late-term abortion for emergency reasons?
     
  4. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    That’d be a question for Bernie Sanders to answer.

    You certainly could delineate between felonies. But, then, the terrorist would be counted without representation.

    To be clear, Dylann Roof ain’t voting anytime soon. Bernie knows that. AOC knows that. So it begs the question why it’s currently a topic.

    My theory:

    1. Because it’s a thing to try on in an effort to coax votes. It appeals to a millennial’s desire to brand themselves cool and enlightened.

    2. No way Biden goes for that.
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Because the anti-abortion crowd generally expresses angst at laws that make abortion in any case easier?

    Again, though, you’re only arguing for the point I’m trying to make. I’m happy to discuss the issue of abortion writ large. I used it as an example to make my point here - successfully so, as it turns out.
     
  6. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Because people on the right are cynical assholes who think there are ways around everything. They think there will always be women who after being pregnant for eight months and 29 days suddenly decide on a whim that they just don't want to have the baby (even though that's not happening) and there will always be doctors willing to risk their medical license and careers to accommodate them (Again, that does not happen).
     
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The rationale for felons not voting in states that disenfranchise them, has nothing to do with your construct. The rationale is that if you commit a felony, you have broken the social contract, and you lose certain societal rights. Voting is one of those rights. Someone who thinks that way would likely make the same distinction you did between Dylann Roof and a non-violent drug crime. But they'd still say that neither should have the right to vote.
     
  8. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Right, they express angst at laws that literally make it easier to save women’s lives. This is the side you support.

    Your point also was that arguing the extremes is a pro-choice method. I just pointed out that it’s an anti-abortion method.
     
  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    It's not more prominent on the left. You must just live and move in circles with a lot of them.

    Come out here to flyover country. Roam around Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas for a few days. The virtue signaling on the right here is a damned lifestyle. If I got $1 for every MAGA, Lock Her Up, Heritage Not Hate, Battle Flag, 2A, Sheepdog, III, Molon Labe or Blue Lives Matter bumper sticker, tee shirt, cap or tattoo I saw in one week I could retire. In a month? We could all retire.

    Hell, the entire 2016 election was virtue signaling on both sides.
     
  10. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

  11. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

  12. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    I'm happy and proud to stand with anyone who is against virtue signaling in our Great Nation.
     
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