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No.

I'm illustrating a linguistic parlor trick.

 

So you’d agree that AOC was, at the very least, questionable in her use of the term?

 

I don't know what is so damn hard to understand. These are concentration camps. End of story. I understand that this term is a very uncomfortable term but that doesn't change the FACT that these are by definition concentration camps. Because you and some others don't understand what the term "concentration camp" means does not make AOC wrong. In fact it makes you and the others (both Dem and Republican) wrong.

 

It also makes Glenn Beck right when he said Obama was building concentration camps, correct? Is that the standard we want to apply?

 

Is it possible to agree that the term "concentration camp" is factually correct AND acknowledge that that word is now emotionally loaded in a way that might make its use problematic? Arguing over language seems to serve as a distraction from the problem being discussed.

 

The last surviving member of the prosecution team at the Nuremberg trials called the treatment of migrants and asylum seekers as a "crime against humanity." Of course, that's an "emotionally loaded" term too. It is obvious that the discomfort with accurate language stems from the inability of many American to process that their government uses evil as a tool of public policy, because to do so poses unhappy questions about themselves, but if people can't face the truth, language doesn't matter. "Enhanced interrogation" was torture, and most people refused to deal with that reality either.

 

Perhaps I am not remembering Beck's comments correctly. I thought he said Obama was "going to build" concentration camps and fill them with his Republican critics. So I would say no to your asinine comparison.

 

I mean, factually correct? Damn, is that putting a lot on whoever makes the definitions. It also makes Obama a presidential overseer of concentration camps, per the post I had about the story from 2015.

As for AOC using that phrase...I could go both ways here. I could say she's clumsy in her wording. But I don't she think she is. I think it was deliberate and part of a larger concept of re-fashioning language to a progressive precept. I think creating the argument - the discussion - is the point.

 

To be clear: I don’t think AOC is dumb or deluded. I think she’s smart and intentional and advised by a lot of smart and intentional people who love what she’s doing and encourage more of this.

 

No. She was correct in using the term. Large scale Indefinite internment without conviction or the right to post bond and without the freedom to leave and without the actual ability to petition for release while being surrounded by armed military or paramilitary personnel. What they are doing to children is deplorable, and they are proud of being such.

Just because there's no forced labor and executions doesn't make it any less a concentration camp. Separating Infants from mothers, children from families, husbands from wives is cruelty without purpose. Its done for intimidation and to kill ones will.

 

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