President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Azrael · Jun 20, 2019

DanielSimpsonDay said: ↑

“I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down. Fortunately, it was unarmed. There was no man in it…Would have made a big difference,” Trump said. “I have a feeling: I may be wrong, and I may be right, but I’m right a lot. I have a feeling it was a mistake made by somebody who shouldn’t have been doing what they did. I think they made a mistake. Not just the country made a mistake, but somebody under command of the country made a mistake.”
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he's an imbecile!

Alma · Jun 20, 2019

Neutral Corner said: ↑

The difference is that Obama didn't get out front and demagogue the issue. He didn't dog whistle racial animus. He didn't overtly encourage the worst possible treatment of those in custody in an attempt to cause fear in others who might decide to come. He never promised to remove millions of people by going after families. He didn't use chain link fence to make pens under overpasses. Whatever wrongs were happening in the immigration system were not encouraged, defended, and used as a political tool in the way that Trump does. And you know it. The difference in degree and intent makes this defense hard core whataboutism.

Could it have been better? I'm sure it could. The root cause is that Congress (both parties) have been unable/unwilling to update immigration policy.

As to the term "concentration camps", I only commented on it because of all the hoopla over AOC using the term. She never invoked Nazi Germany, other than using that term. It is a correct term for what is happening on the border, and if the thought that your country is putting people into concentration camps makes you feel uncomfortable or morally icky, maybe you should consider why that is. Frankly, I think that using that emotionally loaded term is exactly what should be done, because it forces the issue back under people's noses and makes them look at it.
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But the same conditions that are being called a concentration camp now were used in 2015.

There's no argument in that. The story posted is from 2015. The judge's critique is from 2015 - when most people thought Trump was a joke candidate.

If your argument is "Obama wasn't mean about it," just consider the implications of that statement. If the dividing line between doing a heinous thing or not is how one presents it...well, you're making an argument for almost anything. That's a scarier proposition than what we've got.

Finally...yes, it is an emotionally loaded term - delivered a week before debates.

Tarheel316 · Jun 20, 2019

Azrael said: ↑

he's an imbecile!
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He proves that every time he opens his mouth.

Neutral Corner · Jun 20, 2019

We're going to see more such stories. The refugee crisis on our border is peanuts compared to what is going to happen as the effects of climate change become more pronounced.

A country with a population the size of India's running out of water is a disaster.

Chennai, India's sixth biggest city, is almost entirely out of water - CNN

Webster · Jun 20, 2019

This Falwell shit is just perfect. Who knows what is going on with the pool boy, but it sure appears that Cohen could have arranged for the pictures of his wife to go bye-bye in exchange for an endorsement. And I wonder if AMI and David Pecker are somehow involved.

Azrael · Jun 20, 2019

Alma said: ↑

But the same conditions that are being called a concentration camp now were used in 2015.

There's no argument in that. The story posted is from 2015. The judge's critique is from 2015 - when most people thought Trump was a joke candidate.

If your argument is "Obama wasn't mean about it," just consider the implications of that statement. If the dividing line between doing a heinous thing or not is how one presents it...well, you're making an argument for almost anything. That's a scarier proposition than what we've got.

Finally...yes, it is an emotionally loaded term - delivered a week before debates.
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One of the big differences - in addition to body count and soaring overall detention center populations and new draconian child separation policies - is the expanding network of for-profit immigrant prisons. Encouraged by the current administration.

The Trump Administration Is Expanding Its Network Of Privatized Immigrant Prisons | HuffPost

swingline · Jun 20, 2019

Tarheel316 said: ↑

He proves that every time he keeps breathing.
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Fixed that fer ya

BadgerBeer · Jun 20, 2019

poindexter said: ↑

By all means, be very, VERY gentle when discussing sensitive subjects that Republicans may have to hear.

I am liking AOC more and more every day. She has balls.
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This is a key. I am certainly not ready to hitch my wagon to AOC but I am very happy that a Dem is finally showing that SHE has balls. If I am Biden I tell Booker to pound sand. If I am AOC I continue to attack these bastards and call them out for what they are evil, disgusting fucking things. It is about fucking time.

Inky_Wretch · Jun 20, 2019

Justin_Rice said: ↑

You're asking me to be concerned there's no plan, when I'm having enough trouble coming up with enough "care" about the "problem."
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You and most Americans, it seems ...

Alma said: ↑

Of other interest to me in the survey were the issues America deemed to be a very bad problem.

1. Americans see made-up news as a bigger problem than other key issues in the country

Drug addiction, health care, the political system, the rich poor gap and fake news are the top five. Illegal immigration, terrorism and sexism are at the low end. Sexism is 12% behind racism.
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Neutral Corner · Jun 20, 2019

Smallpotatoes · Jun 20, 2019

Alma said: ↑

I don't think people have to have died for it to be a concentration camp. If we're talking factual definitions here.

Mind you, each death is just awful. Awful! I'm not absolving the treatment of people there. I'm saying to call it concentration camp gets us no closer to anything other than the vortex of AOC's rhetoric. The "concentration camp" debate isn't about the detention centers. It's about her, and her willingness to go further left of everyone else in an effort to say she's going to be on the right side of history. I think almost all of what she does is a tactic. Set the debate over there - and use social media predisposed to her worldview - and pull folks to the left in an effort to reset the center.
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There are numerous fact checks that demonstrate that Obama did not do the same thing.
Try reading one.

Alma · Jun 20, 2019

Justin_Rice said: ↑

You're asking me to be concerned there's no plan, when I'm having enough trouble coming up with enough "care" about the "problem."

What's more: Is Trump's "plan" to make up a new plan based on whatever he last heard on Fox News really better than the Democrats not having a plan?

Shit. The GOP held both houses of Congress and the White House for two years, and we saw no parts of their "plan" implemented. Is the Republicans somehow pretending they have a "plan" better than the Democrats "not having a plan"?
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No, it isn't.

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