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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Question (because it's a claim made by many):
    Do Canadians and other nationalities flock to our shores to pay for healthcare because theirs is so bad? Folks I know bring that up all the time, and I figure it's dubious at best. I just don't have evidence to call them on it.
    I know some European athletes fly to Birmingham for knee surgery, but I know that's because the guy there is the best in the world, not because they can't get it taken care of in their home country.
     
  2. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    We’ve been subsidizing health care and education forever. This has nothing to do with increasing debt loads of individuals. It’s a cute narrative that people fall for.

    Incidentally, this country is creeping further and further to the right. Look what Doug Ford is doing in Ontario and god help us if Andrew Scheer gets in.
     
  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Ho ho ho - no. Not even.

    It's expensive because the fucking loans are guaranteed by the feds. The colleges get their money - so they'll sure as shit charge a pretty penny for tuition as a result.

    It's also expensive because every school has a glut of vice chancellors for this and that.
     
  4. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    I WILL BE FLATTERED AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING OF IT.

    I learned a ton about writing and research while in university, and I doubt I become a writer without the encouragement of several key professors. I had been on a totally different path. I also got my first job in journalism because of a contact made by my college's headmaster, a former journalist. Going to university was huge for me.

    Is that true for everybody? Of course not. Will some people go to university and waste the opportunity? Yes.

    But no investment is 100 percent. You have to look at the aggregate. On the whole, an educated population is worth more to any given society than an uneducated one. I can't see how you can argue otherwise.
     
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  5. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    You're not wrong. But Ford will be gone the next time around, I'm positive. He's been a disaster, because of course.

    I think the one thing I would actually fight for—like take up arms for, go to jail for–is in defence of universal healthcare. It's the one cause I might even die for. Anyone thinks to touch that, and I think a large number of Canadians go to the ramparts.
     
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  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    FWIW, I’ve thought a long time about health care and I do think it’s unique and worthy of the universal care fight.
     
  7. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    That'll never fit on a T-shirt.
     
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  8. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    See also: Using Obama's full name.
     
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  9. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    I'm glad to hear this. I will say, respectfully, that any self-professed Christian who doesn't support universal healthcare is not practising what he or she preaches. I just wish Americans could experience the system and realize how much better it is. Never having to worry about whether you'll receive the medical care you need—never having to take or keep a job because of benefits, never having to wonder whether you're a stroke of bad luck away from financial ruin, never having to deal with insurance companies or claims, never wondering whether you should seek treatment because of the potential cost or hassle... It's just so much better. I want this for my American friends.
     
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  10. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    No system is perfect but a universal system is far better than the American status quo of pancake fundraisers and go fund Me accounts for hospital bills.
     
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  11. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Of course no system is perfect. I wish we didn't have to wait for things like knee replacements, but that's the trade. Every time I see one of those GoFundMe things, I want to puke.

    Don't even get me started on your six-week mat leave.
     
  12. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

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    Not to say that student loans don't also play a role.

    Also, I'd have to look at the plans to see what they actually say, but I could envision a free college model where the government acts as the rate setter (you get $X per student and that's just that). Which could actually help with the vice chancellor issue.
     
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