2019-20 NFL coaching carousel thread

[bigpern23]

Because the Browns also have an open GM spot for whom the prospective coach will have a role in picking. They also have to assemble a team of assistants/coordinators, which gets more limited the longer you wait.

I'm not sure why any team would hire a coach before a GM, particularly if that coach is going to be a former coordinator. Maybe you do it if you're hiring a known head coach who is a hot commodity, but otherwise, shouldn't you hire from the top down?

 

[Michael_ Gee]

I'm not sure why any team would hire a coach before a GM, particularly if that coach is going to be a former coordinator. Maybe you do it if you're hiring a known head coach who is a hot commodity, but otherwise, shouldn't you hire from the top down?

The sticking point for the Browns is that they're going to have to tell any candidate "if you think you're getting what Ruhle got, you're nuts." I'm sure the Giants were well aware that Judge was in position to have demands or even requests of any kind when he took their job.

 

[DanOregon]

Also, because the people in charge don't know what they are doing. We did consider that option, too, right?

Probably the biggest lie in sports is that just being affiliated with the NFL as an owner, coach or front office person brings with it some level of expertise or knowledge. Those that understand this are typically far more successful than the rest.
Perhaps even worse are those who fancy themselves "disrupters" and go against the grain not because they have devined a better path, but because it is against the grain.
One of the things that impressed me the most about John Elway taking over the Broncos was bringing in John Fox has his first HC. A lot of first time GMs will go after a young assistant who won't have a frame of reference for how you know when a GM isn't getting it done.

 

[DanielSimpsonDay]

Probably the biggest lie in sports is that just being affiliated with the NFL as an owner, coach or front office person brings with it some level of expertise or knowledge. Those that understand this are typically far more successful than the rest.
Perhaps even worse are those who fancy themselves "disrupters" and go against the grain not because they have devined a better path, but because it is against the grain.
One of the things that impressed me the most about John Elway taking over the Broncos was bringing in John Fox has his first HC. A lot of first time GMs will go after a young assistant who won't have a frame of reference for how you know when a GM isn't getting it done.

 

[wicked]

Because the Browns also have an open GM spot for whom the prospective coach will have a role in picking. They also have to assemble a team of assistants/coordinators, which gets more limited the longer you wait.

They tried hiring the coach-then-the-GM thing when they brought in Eric Mangini and George Kokinis, and the GM was gone in a year.

 

[Craig Sagers Tailor]

They tried hiring the coach-then-the-GM thing when they brought in Eric Mangini and George Kokinis, and the GM was gone in a year.

There was some weird stuff going on with the Kokinis departure. It's urban legend stuff among Browns fans. I've heard he had a coke problem and/or he was shagging an intern. He resigned mid-season out of nowhere.

I think Mangini should have gotten another year. He took a godawful 2009 team and got them to win 4 in a row at the end of the year. In 2010, they beat the Patriots and the Saints, took the Jets to OT and were competitive in most games (low bar I know but it's the Browns). I believe he lives in Cleveland.

I've heard players hated playing for him. Joe Thomas said as much in a recent podcast.

 

[qtlaw]

IMHO, its not about what comes first GM/HC, its about "who do you trust to have the vision for the direction of the franchise?" It works both ways depending on the who, not the role.

The HC with all the power has come to fruition with the Shanahan/Lynch pairing now, but only 10 yrs previously, it failed the Mike Nolan (the son).

If I were Mr. Haslem, I'd be focused on finding the first "who". If its Podesta (looks like it), then it doesn't really matter at this point.

 

[outofplace]

There was some weird stuff going on with the Kokinis departure. It's urban legend stuff among Browns fans. I've heard he had a coke problem and/or he was shagging an intern. He resigned mid-season out of nowhere.

I think Mangini should have gotten another year. He took a godawful 2009 team and got them to win 4 in a row at the end of the year. In 2010, they beat the Patriots and the Saints, took the Jets to OT and were competitive in most games (low bar I know but it's the Browns). I believe he lives in Cleveland.

I've heard players hated playing for him. Joe Thomas said as much in a recent podcast.

There are reasons why Belichick's assistants don't succeed as NFL head coaches. I just don't think many guys have the knowledge, skill and personality to pull off what he does, so the approach they learned doesn't work for them.

 

[qtlaw]

There are reasons why Belichick's assistants don't succeed as NFL head coaches. I just don't think many guys have the knowledge, skill and personality to pull off what he does, so the approach they learned doesn't work for them.

Maybe, but they've got a better record against Belichick than all other coaches against him.

 

[DanOregon]

As great as the Patriots run has been - it still has had two constants - Belichick and Brady. Most dynasties are coach and quarterback driven and it is difficult to replicate. We've seen that from both the Pats' front office types and the coaches who have tried to plant their own flag elsewhere.
I do think ownership - Kraft - is crucial. Owners have to facilitate a winning culture. This goes beyond hiring a good coach or GM - or even paying top dollar for training facilities, FAs or whatnot. I'm thinking its mostly about accountability. Treating everybody well and developing expectations for performance throughout the building. I'm sure there are people with some teams who have survived five or six coaching staffs and GM regimes - which makes you wonder.

 

[heyabbott]

Salvador Dali built a robot of Jerry Jones, and that's what showed up today at the press conference

 

[heyabbott]

There are reasons why Belichick's assistants don't succeed as NFL head coaches. I just don't think many guys have the knowledge, skill and personality to pull off what he does, so the approach they learned doesn't work for them.

Lombardi didn't have much of a coaching tree.
Greatest coaching tree: Jim Lee Howell had Lombardi and Landry