Pre-Super Tuesday Presidential poll

It’ll create degree creep in some circumstances- and don’t expect free tuition in grad school - it’ll make the value of some degrees practically worthless, and it’ll cheapen the quality of the education.

Believe me, I feel for people who have a lot of student debt as well. Mostly, because a lot of them don’t need to have it. They didn’t need college for what they do. It has become, in many cases, little more than a networking tool.

 

I find it completely unpalatable to have the mommy government erase the bad decisions you made. Nobody put a gun to your head to take a hundred grand out in student debt. Why is that now OUR problem?

Why stop at student debt? Why not car loans, or vacations?

Im just telling you, people wont stand for it. People who worked and sacrificed in life, it rankles them.
Its a sure fire way for people to stay home on election day, and have yhat fucking complete dipshit trump win again.

 

I can understand your sentiment, but I'm not sure it would rankle that many people if college debt were forgiven, because if the student isn't paying for the college education, their parents are. Somebody is going to happy, relieved, and yes, appreciative of that debt being forgiven.

And, car loans and vacations being forgiven isn't what's being suggested or discussed.

The reason for the difference, in the way that Warren is arguing for it, is that education is considered something of an inalienable right in this country, and in her view, shouldn't cost people what it does now, and she's seeking/suggesting a way to change that. As she (and a lot of other people) think it should be changed, because the right/desire for an education (or, in the case of college, further education) is not thought of in the same way, societally, as a person's desire/need for a car, or a vacation.

My view is something of a mix of Alma's, SoloFlyer's and bigpern's. What needs to happen is that college education needs to become cheaper/more economically accessible (without debt) again, and yes, people do need to make more measured, smarter decisions about where/how to get what education they may actually need or be suited for. But saying that, and even people doing that going forward, won't change anything in a positive manner for the millions who have already encumbered their current student debt.

Yet, it's true. Helping them would, in fact, be a boon to the country and the economy.

Besides, just because the greatest generation worked hard, struggled and yet got through, say, the Depression, doesn't mean they'd wish it upon future generations, does it? I doubt it. Similarly, just because you did something, or had to do something, doesn't mean someone else should necessarily have to do so.

 

Life’s been good to me so far.

Wait. What? Not THAT Joe Walsh?

Shitfuck.

 

You know, on the surface this seems like an inapt comparison but...college just isn't that essential for a lot of jobs. Including journalism.

 

College is not an inalienable right and God help us if it is.

 

good luck getting your resume past the robo-rejectors without a degree. Spoken from experience.

 

When the slippery slope fallacy is all you have, maybe shut the fuck up?

 

No, but it is kind of thought of that way in this country, and basic education certainly is. I think what has happened is that college education has simply become an extension of that in the minds of most people.

And college is rarely, if ever, considered a bad thing -- even if someone might not necessarily need whatever higher level of it they got in order to do whatever job they ended up doing.

 

Or maybe plead a better case? This is example A of the government bailing out people for their mistakes. And you can have a whataboutism jamboroo, but this idea has no chance of becoming reality

 

Because people can suddenly afford to pursue a degree it cheapens the value of that? Hardly. The value of the degree has zero to do with the cost. It has everything to do with quality of candidate they accept and the rigor of the classes. You maintain those and the degree is worth what it is always worth. If anything, eliminating tuition will just make it harder to get in. For example, nursing programs are wildly hard to get into in some schools because there is only so much room not because it is wickedly expensive.

 

Big banks, wall st investment companies, coal mine companies, oil companies, environmental disasters, subsidized flood insurance for vacation homes, farm bailouts and welfare. The government provides republicans with massive welfare and bailouts for their mistakes. But conservatives, mostly christians, won’t let government help families with catastrophic diseases and medical bills escape the mistake of contracting lupus, cancer, ms, traumatic brain injuries ...

pay off student loans? Fine. Take it from a defense contractor