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Pre-Super Tuesday Presidential poll

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, Feb 26, 2020.

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Who is your pick for the 2020 Presidential election?

  1. Joe Biden

    29 vote(s)
    33.0%
  2. Michael Bloomberg

    6 vote(s)
    6.8%
  3. Pete Buttigieg

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  4. Amy Klobuchar

    3 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. Bernie Sanders

    8 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. Tom Steyer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Donald Trump

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  8. Elizabeth Warren

    23 vote(s)
    26.1%
  9. Other

    5 vote(s)
    5.7%
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  1. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member


     
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  5. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    “Beg your pardon, Mr. Putin, sir ... but boiled potatoes again?”
     
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  6. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Bernie said he stands by it. If Biden has the most pledged delegates, he'll win.

    I think on policy, Bernie is more in line with more Democratic voters with regard to healthcare, wealth inequality, trade deals than Biden is, and he should tout that. But I think his critical error is still carrying the "anti-establishment" banner. Most people voting in the Dem primaries have seen what an "anti-establishment" candidate does - nobody to reign him or her in - and are voting to remove him. Why would they replace him with another "anti-establishment" candidate? If Bernie played up his long ties to the party, and made himself seem more like an insider (sure, others would bring up his heresies), showing him working with other Democrats and at bill signing ceremonies - he'd seem like a lot safer choice.
     
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  7. Tweener

    Tweener Well-Known Member

    This isn’t directed at you, Dan, but I must be missing something because I don’t understand supporting Warren’s progressive agenda and then flipping to support a guy who says “nothing will fundamentally change” during his presidency. I just don’t get it.

    You either believe this country needs progressive policies or you do not. If you are cool with Biden changing nothing then why would you support Warren and her agenda to begin with?
     
  8. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I think a lot of Warren supporters see her more as a capable candidate who would be a good President than a raging progressive.

    Also - the Sanders interview with Maddow is worth a look. Figure Michigan will be a decent proving ground for how successful Sanders is going forward. If he gets Trump voters, college students, auto workers (or former auto workers) he could win it like he did (narrowly) in 2016.
     
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  9. Tweener

    Tweener Well-Known Member

    If that’s true, I would argue that they don’t know who they were backing. She’s in line with everything Bernie is proposing.

    I always believed that Warren supporters were passionate about a progressive agenda but deflected to her because she is more presidential than Sanders. That, I get.
     
  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Pretty much this. I like her policies, and I like her wonkiness. She has plans, and most of them are workable. Might need to be trimmed to fit the sausage making, but possible. Her problems and rough edges bother me less than Bernie's. I was unconvinced of Bernie's electability, and the new young voters he was counting on for that didn't go vote.

    I'll be backing Biden unless something crazy happens, because I think that he'll start to put things normal without a lot of radical change, and because I think the chances are better of his helping in House and Senate races.
     
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  11. Tweener

    Tweener Well-Known Member

    A lot of Bernie supporters also voted for HRC.

    On the other side of that coin, Sanders supporters will get blamed if Biden loses to Trump. Book it. It’s easier to do that than admit the flaws of the person nominated and the campaign they ran.
     
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  12. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    There was no easy and obvious choice from this bunch of candidates. That's a big part of why the debate stage stayed so crowded and unproductive. No one stood out and grabbed the voters enough to get over 30 % or so. You're probably right that Bernie Boys will catch some blame if Biden loses. OTOH, if he loses, I expect that it will be in part because some of them did the same thing they did in 2016.
     
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