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Pre-Super Tuesday Presidential poll

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, Feb 26, 2020.

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Who is your pick for the 2020 Presidential election?

  1. Joe Biden

    29 vote(s)
    33.0%
  2. Michael Bloomberg

    6 vote(s)
    6.8%
  3. Pete Buttigieg

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  4. Amy Klobuchar

    3 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. Bernie Sanders

    8 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. Tom Steyer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Donald Trump

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  8. Elizabeth Warren

    23 vote(s)
    26.1%
  9. Other

    5 vote(s)
    5.7%
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  1. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    If Warren endorses Sanders, and he wins, the Dems will be extremely fortunate to keep the House, and the Senate would be out of reach.

    A Sanders presidency coupled with GOP recapturing the House would be ultimate futility: Sanders might as well truck up to Camp David and lock himself in for four years, since nothing whatsoever he proposed would have a prayer to pass either house. And Warren would be seen as bolted to that.

    If Warren throws in with Biden, the Dems can concentrate on stomping the Trumpfascists into the mud -- grabbing control of both houses. And then Warren can get some things done.

    If Warren throws in with Sanders, and he LOSES -- well, everyone's going to prison.
     
  2. Tweener

    Tweener Well-Known Member

    Sanders, or anyone else, won’t necessarily need Congress for several of his proposals to become reality. It’s called executive authority. I know you don’t think Trump got all of his shit passed through the House.
     
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  3. SoloFlyer

    SoloFlyer Well-Known Member

    The larger stuff will need to be passed through Congress.

    The hazard of executive orders is they're easily erased by the next person who takes office. Trump spent his first few months wiping out anything with Obama's name on it.

    The Affordable Care Act is still standing (mostly) because it was passed into law by Congress. Lot harder to herd those cats and get it repealed.

    None of Sanders' tentpole policies can be passed without Congress.
     
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  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Warren will eventually endorse Biden, probably by mid or late April. She has no incentive to endorse anyone now. She should make statements about what she'd like to see the nominee do. Biden would take the hints, Sanders wouldn't even hear them. Then, when it's clear Sanders is never gonna win, she can step in and endorse Biden, playing the party unity card she had hoped would result in her being the nominee. I mean, Warren's fallback position is "influential and well-known US Senator." Same with Klobuchar and Booker. Bloomberg's fallback is "one of world's richest men." These candidates can go back to what they were doing before the race. No offense to Mayor Pete or Beto, but do they have day jobs?
     
  5. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    I belong to a local civic group. It is a microcosm of what's wrong with the country.
    The age of most of the membership is 70-80. Those of us in the neighborhood of 50 are considered young by the rest. The few guys who are in their 30s are downright babes.
    Membership is literally dying. It's not offset by actual young people in their 20s because if they come in, you might get 1-in-10 to truly stick around and take part.
    We 50ish set are trying to do something about that by dragging the organization into at least the 2000s.
    Last year, we raised money and replaced the carpet in our lodge hall. The old carpet was highly trafficked and had been in place since 1974. People lost their minds.
    We rearranged some things in the lobby and made it a usable space. People went nuts because the sign-in book was moved to a spot about 8 feet from where it had always been.
    We moved a couch from the foyer to a space where folks actually began to use it. That was taboo. One dude actually got mad because we moved 3-4 pictures from one wall to another.
    This week, a certain committee was to meet Thursday. The half dozen guys who were supposed to be there said they couldn't meet Thursday and moved it to Wednesday. One cranky old geezer who isn't even a part of it went into a tirade because of that. "I don't know why y'all have to change stuff all the time. We've done it this way for 200 years. Y'all's always changing everything."
    At that point, I stood up, said, "I'm getting tired of this fucking shit" and walked out.
     
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  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Boomers are stodgy and Gen Y/Z doesn’t give a shit about local anything because they’re busy worrying about global and DC issues.
     
  7. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Other than losing her standing among Democrats, either those supporting Biden or Sanders. A delay in announcing her endorsement just looks self-serving and ultimately doesn't behoove anyone. If she's true to her message, she'll go with Bernie. If she's more of a typical politician -- and her track record of shifting positions and other bullshit -- suggests she is, then she will be practical and go in with Biden, who could very well name her VP. Seems likely that's the carrot that both camps would be dangling, no?
     
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  8. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    The Sandernistas who have been busy ripping Warren the last couple of days should realize President Bernie probably would make her treasury secretary
    She waited until June to endorse Hillary in 2016 and she doesn’t owe anyone anything
    She should take all the time she wants
     
  9. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    She isn't going to be VP. She doesn't want to be VP. Any Senator has more clout in DC than the VP, let alone one who's as well-known and has such an area of expertise (finance) as Warren. A delay in announcing her support allows her to serve as a voice of party consensus when the game is over but Sanders has yet to throw in the towel. Her role then will be to campaign extensively pre-convention in areas of Sanders' support like college towns (she lives in the world's biggest college town) to convince his base that it's time to unite to get rid of Trump. Honestly, nothing makes me feel worse on this board than the idea that elected officials should not be good at politics. Know who's not a typical politician? The President! That does everyone a world of good.
     
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  10. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    Whether it’s Biden or Sanders, the VP has to be younger than 70
    Preferably a woman too
    Stacy Abrams will get calls
     
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  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Maybe Warren will call on women to boycott the 2020 presidential election altogether. Or all races featuring only men. A plague on all patriarchal houses.
     
  12. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying they shouldn't be good at politics, but a lot of the popularity of Warren and Sanders can be ascribed to the fact that they're seen as people of principle, not horse traders. Whether that reality matches up is another issue.
     
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