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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    ...the vast majority of whom will be poor and not Republican voters. So no loss, amirite?
     
  2. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Wouldn’t it be nice if dickhead in charge had some type of relationship with Obama and W?

    Seeing the three of them on stage would be a lot more reassuring for many than guys trying to not laugh at the shit Trump spews.

    But we have an idiot.
     
  3. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    I like how folks are actually thinking people will go back to "normal" if the Feds signal the all clear in a couple of weeks and the economy will jumpstart again.

    Even at 1-percent fatality rate (instead of 3-4 percent like the WHO is reporting), are you going to a ballgame, concert or restaurant? I damn sure wouldn't. I don't like those odds for me or my family.
     
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  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The Fed is buying corporate bonds (illegally, how is this possible?) for all intents and purposes. Here is the term sheet: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/files/monetary20200323b2.pdf

    It says, they can now go all-out Japan and buy ETFs: "Eligible ETFs. The Facility also may purchase U.S.-listed ETFs whose investment objective is to provide broad exposure to the market for U.S. investment grade corporate bonds."

    And LQD, the largest corporate bond ETF, surged on the news. It also is coming back now.

    I know this is meaningless to most people on here, but 6 years ago, this kind of news would have sent traders in trying to front run their buying. That was the result of their bond buying in treasuries and mortgage-backed securitie. Those same traders then took that "carry trade" money and ran up the prices of riskier assets -- stocks, high-yield bonds, etc. That has been the story of the last 7, 8 years.

    Now, unless something changes. ... The Fed isn't getting that monkey behavior the way they want. They tried to backstop commercial paper, money markets, short-term muni bonds, and it hasn't stopped the panic. Now they think they can create stability in corporate debt. If that doesn't work, what is next? Are they going to give themselves authority to buy stocks and junk bonds directly to prop up prices of all the overpriced assets they have created over the last 10 years with freshly-created money? And what do they think that accomplishes?

    It looks like it is going to be up to Congress to reflate the bubble. Assuming the Democrats and Republicans agree on something, and they announce $2 trillion (or whatever ridiculous number they come up with) of handouts and bailouts and Santa Claus money, what if risk assets don't reflate on that either anymore?

    Until the Fed did yet another "whatever it takes," this morning reminded me of the day in October 2008, when TARP failed the first time and the stock market tanked. It then recovered when they finally passed the bill. That is what they are hoping for now.

    The problem is that the underlying debt and leverage that created an "everything bubble" this time, is way bigger than it was in 2008. There may not be a way to create that fantasy anymore and kick the can down the road, in which case, the deleveraging is going to happen anyhow, while they flail away looking powerless.
     
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  5. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I've mentioned it earlier, but the Administration really should have someone doing the "family response" stuff. Michelle Obama would have crushed this, doing a video with Ellen DeGeneres, Kelly Clarkson or the Sesame Street crew. Or call on Hollywood to put together some PSAs, maybe have a sitcom write an episode around this thing and tape it off of Zoom meeting, Even better, Selena Meyer hosts the meeting with Sheldon Cooper, George Costanza, Leslie Knope, Liz Lemon, and Michael Scott, Richard Splett and of course the cast Scrubs.
     
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  6. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    You do understand that the Trump Administration top-to-bottom has zero empathy for anyone, right? So why would they even try to fake something like a Michelle Obama-carefest?
     
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  7. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Exactly.
    It's ordering a bag of popcorn at the movies and one of the kernels is toxic.
    I'm not fucking with those odds.
     
  8. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  9. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    Kid Rock, Scott Baio and Antonio Sabato, Jr. are all looking for things to do — put them in a PSA with Diamond and Silk.
     
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  10. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Social distancing now a political statement. The FATUS Cult must be destroyed, whether by fire, flood, or, hmmm...plague.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't need, or want, a video with Michelle Obama or Ellen DeGeneres or Kelly Clarkson.

    But I wouldn't mind a president who is honest about what is going on, then got out of the way. ... oh, and had a straight-shooter type come out every day and give all of the best-available information to people. If the president was charismatic enough to do some reassurance and inspiration, great, but that isn't Donald Trump -- he's going to look like a douche, because he is a douche. So just be honest and step aside and you have done your job. It doesn't need to be produced like a reality TV show or something for social media. That doesn't help anyone. It actually makes you suspect for a lot of people in a time like this, because it comes across like you are trying to sell bullshit.
     
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  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    As a practical matter, Trump cannot supersede state orders to close nonessential businesses. He can order the federal workforce to report to offices, but I kind of wonder how many would. And I don't think consumer demand for hotels and airline tickets is going up anytime soon.
     
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