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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    We have had a massive sell off over the last few weeks that shaved more market cap off of publicly-traded American companies, and faster, than any stock market crash in history. It has mostly fed off of 1) The credit markets, which totally seized up creating panic and signaling massive credit defaults on the horizon, and 2) forced selling / margin calls in equities -- a lot of way overleveraged players got hit hard.

    On number 2, there were signs yesterday that the forced liquidations had reached their climax. Anyone seasoned, just had to watch the price action to know we were getting a short-term bottom. And on number 1, central banks around the world have announced asset purchases that equal 9 percent of global GDP and the Federal Reserve yesterday hit markets with "QE Infinity," which means that as a percentage of GDP, they could end up monetizing way more debt than that. That created a small semblance of stability in the credit markets. That isn't a guess. It's what happened. They announced that they will be buying corporate debt for the first time ever, including ETF buying, and. ... the spreads in corporate debt narrowed and found some footing today for the first time in weeks. It's A = B.

    1) Things had gotten way oversold on a short-term basis. 2) The first wave of ridiculously overleveraged funds, including a lot of funds that had made the same risk-parity trades, got pushed out. 3) And central banks didn't just come in with bazookas, what they unleashed were howitzers.

    4) AND just as that creates a short-term breather. ... Congress is talking about a $2.5 TRILLION spending bill, much of which will come in the form of corporate welfare. Which really is what the trading was all about today.

    Those daily wrap up stories sometimes attribute nonsense to the trading action of the day, but if someone wants to say that the stock market ripped higher today on a giant TARP-like spending bill that is going to put the TARP from 2008 to shame, it's not ridiculous. That was definitely the story of the day. If they come out at 11 tonight and say that they hit a snag, you'll see stocks sell off. That is what is controlling the narrative right now.
     
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    That's nice, but it has nothing to do with what I said.

    There's a lot of "I'm no fan of Biden, but we gotta get rid of Trump" brouhaha. As in . . . . "I'm no fan of Biden, but I'm forced :eek: to make this pick because Trump's the opponent."

    My point was that the number of Biden votes on this board would be the same if (living) McCain, Romney or Kasich were the opponent. Trump is just the easy excuse to pull the lever the way you were going to pull it anyway.

    It was the story yesterday, too. We all know it's going to get done. Yesterday was just the usual jawboning by each party. That still is a crappy reason for why Company X dropped 5% in value yesterday and rose 10% in value today. It's the same company.
     
  3. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yesterday, none of the indexes were down 5 percent. The selling was abating quite a bit.

    But there were still people being liquidated against their will. You could see it between 1:15ish and the close. Albeit, not at the "puking every salable asset you can unload for whatever you can get for it" levels we had been seeing.

    Giant risk-parity funds getting margin calls will always make stocks drop hard. It's why even the Fed announcing a put under stock prices first thing in the morning couldn't even create an up day.

    But today? With what was the last of that forced deleveraging out of the way. ... AND stocks maybe the most oversold in history on a relative strength basis. ... traders were primed to be distracted -- at least for the short term -- by more shiny objects like the Fed and a massive spending bill. Today wasn't some random thing. Sometimes things don't play out the way the script has most people guessing, but today? That was the exact script heading into the day.
     
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  5. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Nobody in 2006 was gonna vote for Obama. Yet two years later almost 69 million did.

    What matters is who people are going to vote for in November, not who they liked in 2018, 2019, or this January or February. So far Biden looks like FDR or Ike compared to the orange douchebag.
     
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  6. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    A couple days ago, someone mentioned that they found the "is the country headed in the right direction?" poll to be stupid, and I agree. One poll I'd be curious to see - Who'd you vote for in 2016, and who has your vote now in 2020?

    It's hard for me to imagine that people who voted for Clinton in 2016 aren't going to vote for Biden. And on the other side, I'm sure Trump is still going to have plenty of supporters, but it's hard for me to believe he hasn't lost a bunch of support for a variety of reasons - the latest being coronavirus. Fuck, his best play *politically* is probably to just tell people to get back to work. If he's lucky, he gets reelected because it was all a hoax, blah blah blah. If he's unlucky, well, he wasn't getting reelected anyway, and what does he care if people die? He's facing a literal moral hazard, as opposed to the figurative one for NBA GMs that do awful trades or free agent signings in their last year before being fired.
     
  7. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    The GOP will terminate Social Security and Medicare within weeks of inauguration next January if they remain in control. It will be much easier to do if millions of seniors are already dead.
     
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  8. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Free money and euthanasia cheer the markets!
     
  9. britwrit

    britwrit Well-Known Member

    As a public speaker, Biden is an interesting case. If you keep him to small doses, within his talking points, he can perform beautifully. Case in point, his recent interview with CNN:



    But if you watch the interview from the beginning, yikes....!

     
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  10. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    He can try, but he'll lose. The 10th Amendment sees to that.
     
  11. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    New strategy from the South Park playbook: Blame Canada New York!
     
  12. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    FATUS with his usual storm of bullshit, same cliches, dementia-laden blather from a rotting brain. Cultists own this, and maybe their own deaths.
     
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