Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Starman · Apr 8, 2020

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Starman · Apr 8, 2020

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Let’s revisit the key Watergate question again, this time with another updated timeline.

As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents.

The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia -- forces that depend on the NCMI’s work. And it paints a picture of an American government that could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home.

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources said of the NCMI’s report. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff and the White House.

From that warning in November, the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House. All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations.

"The timeline of the intel side of this may be further back than we’re discussing," the source said of preliminary reports from Wuhan. "But this was definitely being briefed beginning at the end of November as something the military needed to take a posture on.” …

"It would be a significant alarm that would have been set off by this," former Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary Mick Mulroy, now an ABC News contributor, said of the NCMI report. "And it would have been something that would be followed up by literally every intelligence-collection agency."

Mulroy, who previously served as a senior official at the CIA, said NCMI does serious work that senior government leaders do not ignore.

"Medical intelligence takes into account all source information -- imagery intelligence, human intelligence, signals intelligence," Mulroy said. "Then there’s analysis by people who know those specific areas. So for something like this to have come out, it has been reviewed by experts in the field. They’re taking together what those pieces of information mean and then looking at the potential for an international health crisis.”

NCMI is a component of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency. Together, the agencies’ core responsibilities are to ensure U.S. military forces have the information they need to carry out their missions -- both offensively and defensively. It is a critical priority for the Pentagon to keep American service members healthy on deployments.

Asked about the November warning last Sunday on ABC’s "This Week," Defense Secretary Mark Esper told Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos, "I can't recall, George. But we have many people who watch this closely. We have the premier infectious disease research institute in America, within the United States Army. So, our people who work these issues directly watch this all the time."

Pressing the secretary, Stephanopoulos asked, "So, you would have known if there was briefed to the National Security Council in December, wouldn't you?"

Esper said, "Yes. I'm not aware of that.”

What did they know, and when did they know it?
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goalmouth · Apr 8, 2020

There was a delay while doctors determined it wasn't just "that time of the month"

ChrisLong · Apr 8, 2020

I've done some stupid things lately, and this might be a stupid question. But here goes:

Does the virus within a person die if the person dies? If so, how quickly?

Starman · Apr 8, 2020

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There was a delay while doctors determined it wasn't just "that time of the month"

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The Big Ragu · Apr 8, 2020

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I've done some stupid things lately, and this might be a stupid question. But here goes:

Does the virus within a person die if the person dies? If so, how quickly?
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Eventually, yeah, the virus will die. It's a matter of how long the virus can stay alive on human tissue. Kind of like, "How long can it live on cardboard?" "How long can it live on a metal surface?"

When you are alive, the virus uses your cells to replicate. Which is what causes your sickness. When you are dead, though, your cells die obviously. So the virus can no longer replicate and because you are no longer coughing or breathing, you aren't spreading it either. So it will die off, kind of like if it gets left behind on a countertop and nobody picks it up to provide it with host cells with which to replicate, eventually it will die off.

SoloFlyer · Apr 8, 2020

ChrisLong said: ↑

I've done some stupid things lately, and this might be a stupid question. But here goes:

Does the virus within a person die if the person dies? If so, how quickly?
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Eventually, it does. But not as soon as people would think.

Viruses continue to reproduce as long as there are available cells. As cells die following the host's death, that reproduction slows down and eventually dies out. But for some viruses, it lingers. Smallpox sticks around for an absurdly long time. Workers who have to handle Ebola victims wear full Hazmat suits since it's so contagious through bodily fluids.

I would think COVID victims are less contagious after death than other virus victims.

Neutral Corner · Apr 8, 2020

I'd still demand full PPE to handle a Covid victim, whether it was two hours or two days later.

Neutral Corner · Apr 8, 2020

Ok, this is interesting. Nitric, not nitrous.

UAB testing new COVID treatment on ICU patients

There's a guy on my UAB message board who posts in fractured English. Turned out once I got to know him that he's French-Canadian, English is a second language, and he just plain stinks at written English. He's also the former head of Transplant Anesthesia at UAB. He commented on something related to this and said that this stuff was the bomb. I have no technical knowledge, but I trust him on that one.

Inky_Wretch · Apr 8, 2020

It seems Fauci's wife donated to Democrats in the past. The Qdiots are saying this means he's a deep state operative undermining Trump (supporting evidence is he's served every POTUS since Reagan). Start the clock on when this reaches Fox News and Trump.

Neutral Corner · Apr 8, 2020

Paging Dr. Oz...

Neutral Corner · Apr 8, 2020

I almost hope he runs Dr. Fauci. That might be enough of a stupid action that endangers us all to make a dent on the cult.

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