Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Azrael · Apr 30, 2020

Regan MacNeil said: ↑

I stopped reading Taibbi when he went full Greenwald. One Glem in this world is too many already.
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The great thing about being a professional libertarian is that you're never wrong.

You're just asking questions!

Michael_ Gee · Apr 30, 2020

Azrael said: ↑

Trump - and Brexit - are where Taibbi starts.

This interesting take on the First Amendment was the latest in a line of “Let’s rethink that whole democracy thing” that began sprouting up in earnest four years ago. Articles with headlines like “Democracies end when they become too democratic” and “Too much of a good thing: why we need less democracy” became common after two events in particular: Donald Trump’s victory in the the Republican primary race, and the decision by British voters to opt out of the EU, i.e. “Brexit.”

And the press is always chasing updated expert information, especially in a situation like this.

The anti-expert, anti-intellectual nature of the electorate precedes the founding of the republic by four or five thousand years.

And stuff like this is just lazy and wrong:

Instead of asking calmly if hydroxychloroquine works, or if the less restrictive Swedish crisis response has merit, or questioning why certain statistical assumptions about the seriousness of the crisis might have been off, we’re denouncing the questions themselves as infamous.
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YouTube is legally responsible for the content on it. Bad information on a disease can lead to mega lawsuits, advertiser boycotts, and other unpleasantness. It is not censorship when it removes a contributor, anymore than it would be censorship if the publisher of his article had told Taibbi to pound sand. This was not a First Amendment issue. Nor is it anti-democracy when the losing side in an election says the voters made a mistake. That happens after every fucking election, Brexit, President, county Registrar of Deeds, you name it. Taibbi's just another white male leftist for whom the logic of perpetual grievance leads straight to Trump.

Azrael · Apr 30, 2020

Whose rights are being violated here?

I'm just asking questions!

Gotta hear both sides!

tapintoamerica · Apr 30, 2020

Alma said: ↑

Quite a piece from Taibbi. Not exactly what I expected:

The Inevitable Coronavirus Censorship Crisis is Here

In the Trump years the sector of society we used to describe as liberal America became a giant finger-wagging machine. The news media, academia, the Democratic Party, show-business celebrities and masses of blue-checked Twitter virtuosos became a kind of umbrella agreement society, united by loathing of Trump and fury toward anyone who dissented with their preoccupations.

Because Conventional Wisdom viewed itself as being solely concerned with the Only Important Thing, i.e. removing Trump, there was no longer any legitimate excuse for disagreeing with Conventional Wisdom’s takes on Russia, Julian Assange, Jill Stein, Joe Rogan, the 25th amendment, Ukraine, the use of the word “treason,” the removal of Alex Jones, the movie Joker, or whatever else happened to be the #Resistance scolding fixation of the day.

and:

The people who want to add a censorship regime to a health crisis are more dangerous and more stupid by leaps and bounds than a president who tells people to inject disinfectant. It’s astonishing that they don’t see this.

and:

From everything I’ve heard, talking to doctors and reading the background material, the Bakersfield doctors are probably not to be trusted. But the functional impact of removing their videos (in addition to giving them press they wouldn’t otherwise have had) is to stamp out discussion of things that do actually need to be discussed, like when the damage to the economy and the effects of other crisis-related problems – domestic abuse, substance abuse, suicide, stroke, abuse of children, etc. – become as significant a threat to the public as the pandemic. We do actually have to talk about this. We can’t not talk about it out of fear of being censored, or because we’re confusing real harm with political harm.
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Censorship, huh? Isn't this a YouTube issue? Did the fedruhl government order them to take these videos down? Or was this a matter of a company exercising its rights in the blessed free market?

Spartan Squad · Apr 30, 2020

Some good news from Los Angeles and perhaps a step toward getting Cali closer to relaxing some restrictions....

Los Angeles is now the first major US city to offer free coronavirus testing for all residents - CNN

garrow · Apr 30, 2020

Fred siegle · Apr 30, 2020

BTExpress said: ↑

Iowa's population ranks 32nd
Iowa's death total ranks 32nd

Statistically right where it should be.
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Math is hard, especially when you use faulty comparisons. What is Iowa’s percentage of deaths as compared to its population number. Being 32nd in population is not a number of persons, and being 32nd in deaths is also not a number of deaths. We need to know the percentages of each state, not the overall ranking of each number.
Can we hear from @doctorquant on this?

MileHigh · Apr 30, 2020

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No state income tax. Lord knows what Nevada's budget will look like with casinos closed for more than a month.

Fred siegle · Apr 30, 2020

TigerVols said: ↑

I had his show on mute yesterday when I saw he was interviewing the African-American mayor of Waterloo, IA. So I rewound it and unmuted it, just in time to hear him intro the guy and toss him the first, long-winded, rambling question. The mayor answered with "first, thanks Chuck for having me on..." like they always do, and Chuck's mic was still hot and you could hear him complain to the booth, "why do they always do that?"
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Chuck and morning joe have the same affliction, the extremely longwinded question to the poor “expert” on the split screen. I have no idea how they can stand it, or how they really know when to talk. The less experienced ones start to open their mouthes, then realize he’s still talking.

MileHigh · Apr 30, 2020

Fred siegle said: ↑

Chuck and morning joe have the same affliction, the extremely longwinded question to the poor “expert” on the split screen. I have no idea how they can stand it, or how they really know when to talk. The less experienced ones start to open their mouthes, then realize he’s still talking.
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Chuck Todd/Morning Joe: Long-winded question

Invited guest: "Thanks for having me, hope you are well."

Chuck Todd/Morning Joe: "We're out of time. Thanks for joining us."

micropolitan guy · Apr 30, 2020

garrow said: ↑

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No bailouts for those mismanaged red states. Let them go bankrupt!

doctorquant · Apr 30, 2020

Fred siegle said: ↑

Math is hard, especially when you use faulty comparisons. What is Iowa’s percentage of deaths as compared to its population number. Being 32nd in population is not a number of persons, and being 32nd in deaths is also not a number of deaths. We need to know the percentages of each state, not the overall ranking of each number.
Can we hear from @doctorquant on this?
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I'm here. Kinda busy, though. Working through St. Dabo of the Upstate's latest epistle.

P.S. Relative ranks (c.f. the Spearman rank correlation coefficient) are perfectly fine absent bivariate normality. In fact, the loss of power redounds to BTExpress' benefit here.

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