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Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twirling Time, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. lakefront

    lakefront Well-Known Member

    From an RN on FB

    "Compared to seasonal coronavirus or flu, way more cases, the patients are way sicker, and sick for much longer. Flu, if someone gets sick enough for ICU and a vent, may need it for a few days, maybe a week. I only had one flu ICU patient this year. They died but also had significant lung disease that would have killed them. Seasonal coronavirus, I think I saw one case this year. When I worked on respiratory we would see it pretty often but mostly in those with COPD.
    This one though...we are seeing much younger people than those usually severely affected by the flu, and less preexisting conditions. Strangely enough I've noticed more diabetics being very sick instead of those with lung disease, and COPD and asthma are pretty prevalent in our usual population. Also the body systems involved, it's not just a respiratory issue. Liver disease, kidney failure requiring dialysis, strokes and DVTs because of clots. You don't see all that with the flu. We have had some people get better, but the majority have either died or are leaving with a tracheostomy and a feeding tube because they are on the vent for weeks. Not all of these people start out old and sick and it's hard to know who is going to recover fine and who isn't. Even my coworkers who have recovered... one has persistent headaches, one is still using around the clock inhalers, one still has chest pain, one wakes up at night with chest pain and a heart rate in the 150s (bad, especially at rest). All of them 30s or younger with no prior health problems and their diagnosis over a month ago. So even recovering doesn't mean you don't have lasting problems."
     
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  2. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    I hope the vaccine news is legit. But how does a vaccine work when people who have had C19 and recovered get it a second time?
     
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Vaccines don't always provide a complete immunity. They help the body's ability to fight off the virus. Ideally, that means you don't get sick at all, but it can also mean that your body is better equipped to fight it off.
     
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  4. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    The head of the GOP in Arizona just got excited and knows not why.
     
  5. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member



    … and also …

     
  6. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    … and one more …

     
  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    There are questions about the accuracy of some of the tests. Also immunity is not absolute - it may help in fighting the disease but not completely block it. It varies.
     
  8. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Flu vaccine effectiveness is spotty, too. If the COVID19 vaccine eventually turns into a "you may still get it and be sick but almost certainly won't die" end result, that's something.
     
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  9. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Exactly. The flu vaccine can greatly help lessen the effects of the flu, but you can still get it. I had the flu back in 2014 and the shit lasted more than three weeks. I didn't get the vaccine that year. I sure has hell have every year since.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Wall Street is going gaga because the Fed has pumped trillions of dollars conjured out of thin air into markets over a matter of weeks. They literally are pumping money into a casino and algorithmic traders are treating it like "free chips."

    The gaga today began last night with the equity futures when an interview with Jay Powell aired on 60 Minutes and he spoke code to traders about how the Fed has plenty of more tools in its box to keep a put under risk assets. That is the only thing propping up equity prices at multiples that are beyond absurd, not whatever news story that everyone thinks amounts to the stock market acting irrationally.

    If they can manage to monetize trillions of dollars of newly created debt in an exponentially growing way forever, stocks will go up to infinity -- maybe by next week at the rate they are monetizing debt right now. When the con game ends or if they try to stop or they have completely destroyed the dollar, stocks will begin to be valued on business fundamentals, not central banks creating asset price inflation.

    Meanwhile, in the actual economy, busted businesses are being propped up with an insane amount of fresh debt, people are defaulting on their car loans, many waiting on food lines, and vaccine or not, the insane amount of debt that has been like a bandage placed over a tumor since the financial crisis still will have robbed us of decades of growth. What they are doing now is making that price even worse for a whole generation of people that are going to pay with the tough times that come with a debt bubble popping. Unfortunately, this is nothing like the past debt bubbles they created because they took it to a place that would have been unthinkable two decades ago.
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This virus was so novel that they didn't know if people produce antibodies that can create enough immunity.

    But the reports of people getting reinfected may not have been them getting reinfected. Instead, they likely had never fully recovered.

    At least that is what they believe now.

    Assuming they have the RNA right for this virus and they have figured out the antibody that prevents it from binding to human cells, if what I just said is correct about immunity (and the vaccine works and is safe), the important thing would be that virus doesn't mutate much. That could make the vaccine useless.
     
  12. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    If all the money is fake, is there a possibility that this never actually ends? In other words, you’ve warned of the bubble popping. What I don’t understand: What event actually causes the pop?
     
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