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Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twirling Time, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  2. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    If you're a career federal employee at the CDC, you've outlasted multiple administrations, good and bad. You only have four more months to wait to see if your job returns to useful or remains useless in January. Keep taking the paycheck and doing what you know is right because sooner or later, it'll matter again. Or it won't.
     
  3. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

  4. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    I'm expecting the administration to remove all former Confederate states' coronavirus tallies from the federal ledger before the election, on the basis that "they shouldn't count because they haven't been part of the country the whole time."
     
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  5. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  6. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    You realize Germany wasn't on the same exact timeline as the US, right? You can't just point to an opening date and not put that date into context.

    In fact (from the article you linked) Jan. 27 Germany sees first official case.
    Four days later they put out the first guidelines for reporting cases. When did the US put out it's first national guidelines for reporting?
    "On Feb. 27, with a total of 26 confirmed cases, the government set up an inter-ministerial national crisis management group." When did the US create a national crisis group to coordinate national efforts?
    "Risk assessments and technical guidelines for testing, case finding, contact tracing, hygiene, and disease management, as well as various other documents, have been available since January 16." When did the US do the same thing?
    Then in March, Germany looks like California, specifically northern California. When did Florida and Texas shutdown?
    Germany saw peek cases in March. When did New York?

    So please, put your articles in context. It wasn't just that they opened sooner. They fucking took this seriously sooner and had a coordinated national plan. They didn't leave it to German states to figure out.

    And while deaths were pushed along because of nursing centers, to get into a nursing center, it needs to be brought in by people who don't live in nursing centers. So the people driving the spread are the young. So good, Germany didn't see outbreaks in nursing homes, but those weren't the drivers.

    We opened too soon because cases didn't warrant us opening. We still have things closed because cases don't warrant them open. See Arizona.

    Once again, however, this whole thing is to say your assertion that herd immunity is the only solution is a crock as proven by the article you linked. Germans took this seriously. How did Dear Leader take this?
     
  7. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Texas has the potential to out-Florida Florida by a factor of 10. And Florida just did 12,500 today.

    According to Worldographs, the world is closing in on 250,000 new cases a day. That's 1 million new cases every four days.
     
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  8. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I never "asserted" that herd immunity is the only solution. I linked a video I found "interesting" in which a doctor said herd immunity might be closer than we think, and I PONDERED whether he meant that more places needed to have --- or were in the process of having --- "New York events" for this to be achieved. I ALSO stated "I hope he's wrong."

    THAT'S what I said.

    What you interpreted me saying was far different. Which is why there is no bridge to understanding in this country. Person A says, "A, B, C, D, E." Person B, who suspects Person A is not on his side, hears "V, W, X, Y, Z!"
     
  9. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, how am I supposed to take that line?
     
  10. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Understanding the meaning of the word "may," perhaps? And understanding that I said it was my interpretation of what the doctor MIGHT be saying. AND that I also said "I hope he's wrong."

    Far from an "assertion," I would say.
     
  11. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Uh huh. You pushed this idea that New York had reached herd immunity because cases have flattened without acknowledging there's a few other reasons for it because it doesn't match with your idea that the economy shouldn't be closed to stop this. You pushed the idea that we're closer to herd immunity because cases were under reported (true) with no evidence of how much they've been under reported by. The official count is just under 4 million. We both agree that number is low, but how much is it low by? 10 million? 15 million? 20 million? Even 20 million means, under the notion herd immunity can be achieved at a lower level than the 70 to 80 percent initially believed, we're still 40 to 60 million short of herd immunity. And I'm not conceding we can achieve it at a low number.
    You are the one who posted an out of context article to try to prove a point that Germany opened sooner than the US and therefore the US didn't. You once again ignored the other variables in this because those variables don't align with your ongoing thesis that the economy shouldn't be closed to slow this down.
    So you put out a statement that "it may be the only way" and are trying to hide behind a conditional clause when this whole time, this is exactly what you've been pushing.
     
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  12. Roscablo

    Roscablo Well-Known Member

    This type of thing is going to be a big problem going forward. Deaths are being focused on, to an extent rightfully so, but there already seem to be so many long-term impacts of this and we're just learning what they are and could be years before we have even a decent grasp on what it has done to people. A lot of people will suffer from this for the rest of their lives and the it's just a cold or 99.9 percent of people arguments don't help there at all. It's another area where this should not be diminished in how bad it is.
     
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