13 days, 22 murders

Disingenuous thread right there. Defund the police, which is a crappy slogan, does not mean abolish the police. It means take some things off their plate. It means take some of the money away from them and put it toward community oriented responses to some of the situations, like homelessness and mental illness. We need police but we need them in a vastly different role, wielding vastly less power than they currently do.

 

Oh this whole thread is started because police are crying that their hard jobs are hard. Police are losing support because they keep mucking up community relations and de-escalation techniques and then start crying when people get pissed off at them.

 

Murders on a record pace in Kansas City.

In the Wake of Covid-19 Lockdowns, a Troubling Surge in Homicides

 

Criminologists dispute the president’s suggestion that the increase is tied to any pullback by the police in response to criticism or defunding efforts, and fluctuations in the crime rate are notoriously hard to explain. In many cities, the murder rate was on the rise before the pandemic, and a steep decline in arrests coincided with the start of social distancing, as measured by mobile phone records, according to a database compiled by David Abrams, an economist at the University of Pennsylvania law school.

 

Yeah, I read the story.

 

Doing a good job in Portland, the leaders are. Yes sir. Good job.

Portland protesters beat driver unconscious after crashing truck near Black Lives Matter rally

 

yes, why would any protester on foot feel threatened by someone driving a car

 

You're defending that beating, as what? Vigilante justice?

 

Nope. I'm asking for more information about what happened before I rush to judgment.

 

What information is going to make the officials of Portland look good? The federal troops came, Portland and Oregon's leadership shrieked around it, and this shit didn't stop. The federal troops left, and this shit didn't stop.

Your response was...Charlottesville?

FWIW, I don't think the authorities did a good job that day, either, in Charlottesville. But it hadn't been 60 days of it in Charlottesville, either.

Portland has no excuse at this point. At this point, Portland - located in a state that will never vote for a Republican candidate for president ever again - is fodder for right-wing media. The protest has lost its point when there's guys in security vests beating the shit out of a drunk man.

 

Yeah.

I'm not sure what Portland's leaders might have done to prevent this. Any more than those in Charlottesville or St. Paul or Los Angeles, or any other place where this has happened.

That the guy was drunk makes it worse, not better.

I'm sure the story will eventually spool out in greater detail, and we'll know more.

 

Defunding the police was a losing issue in mid-July. I only imagine it’s far more so in early September.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...icans-away-movement-against-police-brutality/

And yes the survey addresses what some of you think defunding the police “really means.”