Running racism in America thread

No. It’s not whether this particular officer reasonably believes ...
The standard is: would a reasonable trained police officer have acted as this officer did. It’s more of an objective standard. It’s not whether this officer perceived a threat to themselves or others but whether an objective officer would
Have acted that way. That’s the civil standard for liability. Often used as a criminal standard.

 

You’re sound asleep. Suddenly somebody kicks in your door. You’ve got a right to defend yourself.

 

They both woke up, they both got dressed. They were both in the hallway, apparently he hid behind her like a coward.

 

Is there proof of this or are we just taking the word of a group of people who routinely plant evidence on people?

 

Breonna Taylor case: Former detective, Brett Hankison, is indicted, and two officers are shot during protest - CNN

 

A couple of you — and most of y’all already know who I’m referring to here — would be surprised to hear these words coming from an indy country singer from the Eastern Kentucky backwoods.

God bless Tyler Childers, because he isn’t wrong here.

It’s called me belligerent, it’s took me for ignorant
But it ain’t never once made me scared just to be.
Could you imagine, just constantly worrying
Kicking, and fighting, and begging to breathe.

How many boys could they haul off this mountain
Shoot full of holes, cuffed and laid in the streets.
‘Till we come into town, in stark raving anger
Looking for answers, and armed to the teeth.

Thirty-ought-sixes, Papaw's old pistol
How many, you reckon, would it be, four or five?
Or would that be the start of a long, violent history
Of tucking our tails as we try to abide?

The poor black man and the poor white man have more in common than either will care to admit.

 

Absolutely right.
After he fires first, do the cops have the right to return fire?

 

A lot of this doesn't make sense. The cop who got shot, femoral artery hit, ford as many shots as the others. Femoral artery bleeds out fast. Thrn, the initial report said no injuries, but a women was dying. After they shot her, they let her lay on the ground unattended for 20 minutes. To me, that's so dehumanizing.

The city paid out, establishing fault.

The attorney says the charges stemmed from the bullets that penetrated the white neighbors walls, but not the black ones. Don't know if that's true.

You can kill someone without criminal intent, through negligence. I'm not sure how there is no negligence when there was no reason for them to be at her apartment.

 

If we're looking for Truth in this situation, I don't think we'll ever be satisfied, which makes is frustrating, regardless of what "side" of this you're on. It seems like there isn't any video of the incident, and if there is / was forensic information, I haven't seen any information about it. The neighbors are essentially hearsay witnesses to me - Given how chaotic that situation must have been, and the time of night, and how unreliable witnesses can be in good circumstances, I don't attribute much value to their accounts. Of the people with direct knowledge - the people in the room - they have incredibly high stakes to keep to their originally told story. Like, somewhat literal life or death stakes.

 

When this case broke, I figured the officers would be acquitted, whether it was no charges filed or by a jury. The actions on the night were standard procedure - the 1 a.m. thing is still weird to me since it didn't seem to involve exigent circumstances. The warrant seems really squishy to me though. Too many of these police shootings are the result of as bad information as anything.

 

They were at her apartment because that is the address her ex-boyfriend was using (detectives verified this through a database). Police issued an arrest warrant for the ex-boyfriend and went to her apartment, thinking that's where he was. According to the story linked below, "Taylor and a man named Adrian Walker also were named on that warrant."

Warrants issued for arrest of Breonna Taylor’s ex-boyfriend amid leaked new documents