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2020 MLB postseason thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by HanSenSE, Sep 27, 2020.

  1. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    In the Snell decision, how many times before has he struck out 9 on 70 pitches through 5 and allowed one hit? In a WS elimination game? Maybe this was his greatest peak and not just another outing? Maybe don’t play for regression to the mean this time?
     
  2. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Did you watch that video?
     
  3. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    11 minute youtube.
    Get
    The
    Fuck
    Out
    Of
    Here
     
  4. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Guy on the left could win an award for that breakdown.
     
  5. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    They have a podcast that's just like this. I haven't seen this take anywhere else. After the scandal, they isolated Marwin Gonzalez as the perfect test case and demonstrated that they were cheating like crazy and exactly how and how much it helped.
     
  6. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Suit yourself, but your statement was "The best answer i can find for Snell's hook is "this is the way we've been doing it", which is the lamest answer you can give, in work or in sports." If you meant the best answer you can find on ESPN in 90 second sound bytes, that might explain your lack of success.
     
  7. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    All of the stats he gave, even from different perspectives, were great.

    But he knocked it out of the park when he broke down the trend in Snell's swung/missed pitches as the game progressed.

    In my world, I can say I'm old school and would let Snell go as long as he could in this situation.

    At the same time, seamheadology is equally true, and the fact is Snell was shot by 5.2 before giving up that single.

    Cash wasn't wrong for pulling Snell. As the guy on the left concluded, Cash simply replaced Snell with the wrong arm, based on real seamheadology.
     
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  8. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Yes, those were great stats but Snell's performance was contrary to just about every stat that guy was relying upon.

    Through the second time through the lineup, the OPS was not .796 but like .200 (one single through 9 batters). He did not show any signs of decline. I heard someone say "we watch the players, not the plan" which sums it up for me. So he fails, I'd rather see someone try than not even be given the chance.
     
  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Look
    I understand too little too late
    I realize there are things you say and do
    You can never take back
    But what would you be if you didn't even try
    You have to try
    So after a lot of thought
    I'd like to reconsider
    Please
    If it's not too late
    Make it a cheeseburger

     
  10. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    The guy made a persuasive argument, but as you and @qtlaw noted, they ignore the game situation. Those stats are his averages in every start over 2019 and 2020 seasons, including the ones where he pitched like shit. Going off of qtlaw's post, I looked at the games where he struck out nine batters or more during 2019 and 2020 and this what we find.

    In nine games in which Snell struck out 9+ batters, he averaged 6 IP and 97 pitches thrown. He only pitched seven innings once and he twice pitched 5.2 innings. He threw six innings in the other six games. This tells us that he was generally lifted likely because of fatigue, not because they wanted to avoid him seeing guys three times in the game.

    Also, in those games, he had a 1.83 ERA and a 0.83 WHIP at a rate of 16 k/9. If you break it down further, you see that he gave up the most runs (3 total) in the fifth inning, yet was never lifted in that inning. In only two of those games did he give up more than one run in any single inning. Of the 11 total runs he gave up in those games, only one came after the fifth inning.

    The data from those dominant performances indicates he was unlikely to implode and give up a big inning in that spot and, as the video noted, he was due to face Betts who has been atrocious against lefties this season.

    April 2, 2019, no runs in seven innings.
    April 8, 2019, 1 run in the fifth, pitched six innings.
    May 6, 2019, 0 runs in six innings.
    May 12, 2019, 2 runs in the fifth in 5.2 innings.
    May 19, 2019, 1 run in the third inning, pitched six innings.
    June 30, 2019, 2 runs in the fourth inning, pitched six innings.
    July 21, 2019, 0 runs in six innings.
    Aug. 24 gave up one run each in the 3rd and 6th innings.
    Sept 22, gave up one run each in the 2, 4 and 6th innings.
     
  11. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Thanks for showing your work (says the lazy guy)
     
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  12. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    but/for?
     
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