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F--- boxing

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by anonymousprick, Sep 20, 2009.

  1. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    No, they don't.
     
  2. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I've found it interesting that PBC tends to pretend that Crawford doesn't exist, but they've been willing to talk about possible fights between Davis and Lomachenko (and presumably, now, Lopez).
     
  3. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    Yeah...PBC has pretty much every visible 147 and 154 guy except Crawford so they can easily manage affairs around him until he wants to play ball on their terms. Plenty of PBC guys would like to fight Crawford, but they don't NEED to fight Crawford. He is going to eventually need one of them. I think the only one he'll get if he stays with Top Rank is Shawn Porter and that's a high-risk, low-reward fight.

    They are talking about Davis-Lopez or Haney-Lopez or Haney-Davis, but here's the problem. DAZN/Matchroom sees Haney as a piece to build the service around. ESPN/Top Rank sees Lopez are a guy to build their boxing vertical around. PBC/Mayweather/Showtime just put Davis on a PPV Main Event that reportedly did over 200K buys and made people very happy. So three guys that are with three separate networks who all are looking to them to be a money maker, it's going to be hard to do that sort of cross-promotional business. Not impossible, but not easy. Especially without any gate money coming in.
     
  4. Carlkolchak

    Carlkolchak Member

    Haymon seems to have all his eggs invested in spence and davis. crawford would be another expense and headache. I think haymon pbc has already decided to discriminate and freeze out crawford and go all in on spence. but we'll see.

    even if hearn signs crawford, that will not help to force haymon to make spence fight crawford.

    haymon is a dirty dog. most don't know this fact but haymon and mayweather actually intended to duck Pacquiao forever. Only reason it happened was because the head of cbs showtime les mooves was unhappy with mayweather's declining profits. moonves stepped in and forced floyd to face Pac, with ultimatums. this is a fact. so haymon is one dirty mofo. spence is his toy puppet.
     
  5. Carlkolchak

    Carlkolchak Member

    talking about making davis vs loma was just pr fraud talk. haymon and floyd had and have zero interest in a loma fight but they have to pretend to want it. don't fall for the fakery.
     
  6. Carlkolchak

    Carlkolchak Member

    Arum to his credit and I know he has a lot of bad attributes, has never ever blocked a single major fight from happening in five decades. He puts his key assets at risk. haymon on the other hand has blocked DOZENS of big fights in his decade long reign of shame in pro boxing. haymon thinks he can create boxing stars like music stars, through pr, set ups, rigged wins, hired patsies, pr moves, etc. He does not have the A level stars to take big risks so he has to protect his b and c level pretenders like floyd davis wilder and spence.
     
  7. Carlkolchak

    Carlkolchak Member

    Hearn also is a real boxing man and will risk his key assets in the big fights because he knows it's what the paying fans want to pay to see. Haney will surely face Lopez at some point but I can assure you 100% davis will be protected from haney, Lopez and he will contine to be fed patsies and divers who are under PBC control.

    Its the same blueprint pattern haymon has been ponzi scheming the public for over a decade now. create a fake star, protect his record, pretend to want the big high risk fights later on in the future, but they never happen - or somehow haymon gets forced into it.

    Like haymon was forced to do the Fury wilder rematch because they ducked the $120m Hearn off to fight Joshua and they had no other money fight options so they had to face Fury again. Fury played soft in the first wilder fake draw and dove twice. At the time fury needed a payday after two years off. a big money draw was a good business move. Then Arum bought into Fury after that wilder draw. Arum got Fury the big espn contract. Which meant fury did not have to play soft with wilder in the rematch. haymon was forced to do the rematch and calculated wilder could beat fury in a real fight. his calculations were considerably innaccurate.
     
  8. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Then there's Vergil Ortiz, with Golden Boy and DAZN. I wonder what he's going to have to do to get any kind of big fights.
     
  9. Carlkolchak

    Carlkolchak Member

    Remember the Braddock - Louis story? Louis was not in line for the next shot, but Louis manager made a deal with Braddock. If Louis won, Louis would give Braddock a percentage of all of his future title fights. Louis of course won and did pay a % to Braddock, and Louis defended the title around 20 times so Braddock made a fortune for losing the title, probably a lot more so than if he beat Louis )

    Don't think for a second that this is the only time in boxing history where it is more rewarding for a champion to lose to his challenger ;) We just don't know about these inside deals. Vergil Ortiz and others have to do what they have to do to get the big $hot.
     
  10. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    The Mike Tyson/Roy Jones, Jr. exhibition is tomorrow.

    According to the California commission, it's an exhibition. They won't be allowed to go for a knockout and the commission will not appoint judges to score the fight. It won't go on either guy's official record.

    The WBC is appointing "celebrity judges" Vinny Paz, Christy Martin and Chad Dawson and will award some sort of belt to the "winner."

    A lot of people seem to think it will be a real fight for some reason.
     
  11. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    What more can be said? This from the manager of WBC/WBO light welterweight champ Jose Ramierz.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    For a sport built on 5000 years of questionable ideas, this Tyson / Jones thing is near the top of the list. Or the bottom. Whatever. Ugh.

    Last night's Jacobs / Rosado fight was - as they used to say at Stillman's - stinko.
     
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