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Thoughts and Prayers: The Religion Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Slacker, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    What is the purpose of setting aside time for any sort of school prayer?
     
  2. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    The logic here is curious. Millions of black kids survived school segregation, but that doesn’t justify the practice. Segregation was wrong. Just as compulsory prayer is wrong.
     
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  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry man, but on my list of harmful things. ... a kid having to stand there and twiddle his or her thumbs while a school does a "moment of silence" is nowhere near the same zip code as school segregation. ... In terms of tangible harm it causes anyone, it's not even on the same planet as the harm segregation caused.

    Mind you, I am saying that with my logic, as you put it, being that I don't particularly want prayer time in schools.
     
  4. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Based on my experience, is school prayer a major shock in a day? No. But how do you quantify being made to feel different each day for 12 yrs of schooling?

    See if you’re not subject to the problem, how do you judge what it feels like?
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    You don't think having the experience of being a member of a religious minority in that situation allows for a better understanding of that situation? Are you even trying to have a genuine discussion here?
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Yet you keep arguing that it isn't much of an issue. Also, that response is a dodge. They don't have to be the same degree of wrong for both practices to be wrong.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I can drive a truck through the difference between being a religious minority giving someone a "better understanding" . ... and the first post about my opinion having "very little value" if I am not a religious minority.

    EDIT: FWIW, the value of my opinion is. ... the value of my opinion.

    You wouldn't say that the opinion of a white civil rights activist has no value because he isn't black. Or that a straight man who advocates for gay rights has an opinion with very little value because he's straight.

    You brought my background into it, without having a clue about me, and when I didn't respond, you made an assumption about me and told me my opinion has very little value because of your assumption.

    My background might inform my opinion, but the value of my opinion has nothing to do with me personally. The value is in the merit of the opinion itself.

    Is that a genuine enough response for you?
     
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  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Your opinion showed the type of ignorance that made the assumption seem like a valid one. Sometimes, assumptions turn out to be wrong. My bad.

    You are arguing that people who have faced being a religious minority don't have any better understanding of the issue than those who don't. That simply isn't accurate. A civil rights activist is someone who has chosen to inform themselves on the topic. There are still issues they may not understand as well as someone who is a member of the minority for which they advocate.

    Our knowledge is part of the value of our opinions. Experts on a topic have more valuable opinions than those who are not experts. The merit of the opinion itself, of course, is what is most important. In this case, I stand by my primary argument, that yours doesn't have much value. You handled the situation okay, so that must mean it is okay for everybody? Bullshit.
     
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I never said anything close to that.
     
  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Actually, you did. Perhaps you should think more about the implications of what you post.
     
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  12. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Though I agree to some degree with the sentiment I'd be curious to know what the Tweeter means precisely.

    One issue, absolutely, in the church is the dangerous, bizarre mixture of faith and patriotism.

    Another is the kind of laughable relativism that flattens out faith until it's basically Unitarianism. Which, if someone wants to be Unitarian, have at it. It's just not Christianity.
     
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