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The exact moment that Jason Whitlock stopped mattering

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Thrilla_in_Vanilla, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. wheels89

    wheels89 Active Member

    Whitlock is back on Twitter and tweeting away. Supposedly the suspension was only for a couple days and Twitter said they screwed up in putting him in the penalty box.
    Frankly I wish more journalists would comment on police arresting journalists for no valid reason when they are covering protests.
     
  2. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    I wish more journalists would comment on why the wearing of suits directly contributes to a decline in common decency and compassion.

    My theory is that it has something to do with office thermostats, but I must admit that I do not have extensive research nor a broad-based sample of field observations to back that up.
     
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  3. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

    they can't they're being silenced a guest on bill mahr's show mentioned this
     
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  4. SFIND

    SFIND Well-Known Member

    This is the dumbest thing you've ever posted.

    Twitter and all social media companies are private companies, not public forums. They can censor their platforms as they wish. The first amendment doesn't apply remotely.

    I hope your newspaper published every single letter to the editor and allows comments on its website. Freedom of speech!!!!!!1!!1!!!1!
     
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  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Do you think Twitter should be sued if there's something on its site that is libelous?

    Because here's the real thing: Twitter enjoys 230 "free for all" protections newspapers don't enjoy. Twitter is getting better at moderating its site, but it's not perfect, and whereas a paper publisher gets dinged for printing libel, Twitter doesn't. It doesn't have that guardrail. Imagine a companion who goes on there and write libelous things about their companion's spouse; you can sue the tweeter, but not Twitter. The public square is that. You don't sue the city for the dude screaming "Bob Smith stole $120,000!" on public property.

    And that's the thing. Remove 230 protection and Twitter isn't Twitter. But when Twitter says "not this story, but this story" it's functioning less like a free-for-all public square and a little more like something else. You go far enough down that line, and all of the sudden it's easier to say "OK, Twitter, we're holding you responsible for libel the way we would the New York Times. Proceed accordingly."

    Twitter is probably out of business without 230 protections.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Twitter is 99 percent more like that public square than it is like a newspaper. A newspaper has complete control over what goes into its pages. Twitter has hundreds of millions of decentralized active users, each of whom decides on their own what to disseminate.

    I personally don't understand why Twitter should have to be open to everyone and anyone without being allowed to establish its own terms of service for it be recognized as a platform. The company is a private concern. It should be allowed to dictate whatever terms of services it wants (and someone doesn't have to use their platform if they disagree with those terms). The fact that it dictates terms of service to people doesn't change what it actually is, a platform that others are using to disseminate their own content.
     
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  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Fair. But should a platform already making stronger content choices by the day be absolved of any responsibility on libel issues? I can make an argument for "yes" and "no."

    The second issue is whether Web hosting services are colluding with Twitter by shutting down other competitors or keeping them off their servers.
     
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  8. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    Let's say that laws are passed that prohibit Twitter from banning Donald Trump and Jason Whitlock? Would Twitter then be prohibited from banning the President of the American Nazi party?

    And Whitlock was locked out because he disclosed the residence and showed a picture of the home of a BLM official, according to the screenshot. I would suspect that if I printed your address on this thread that I would be banned. Do I have a first amendment right to print your address in this thread?

    What is the standard you seem to propose.
     
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  9. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I am proposing a standard. I'm setting what I think the fairer terms of the debate are - which is to include the section 230 discussion. I actually think, yes, Twitter is its own platform. But it is not responsible for any of the offensive commentary on it, save through the pressure of the people who largely use it, which is one side of the political aisle.
     
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You are so eager to frame it and then pretend that you don't have an opinion. But Twitter is not making "stronger content choices by the day." For the most part, Twitter doesn't create or provide its own content.

    What you are really talking about: Twitter puts limits on the content that others can share on its platform. If someone defames someone else on the platform, that person should be held responsible for the defamatory content, not Twitter. You are conflating the limits that Twitter puts on who may use its platform and how. ... with something it has no bearing on. If someone libels someone else, those terms of service had zero to do with it. Twitter didn't induce the libel with its terms of service.
     
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  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Twitter enjoys protection from libel. If it didn’t, Twitter would likely have to shape its approach differently.

    I’d probably agree with you that Twitter shouldn’t be held liable for libel. But the 230 protection may turn out to be something that’s in play precisely because, to some, Twitter appears to favor certain views and certain complaints over others.

    And yes they are content choices if you’re beginning to curate to a higher degree what does or does not stay on the site. An art museum doesn’t make the art. Does it make content choices? Of course.
     
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  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, the Communications Decency Act protects Twitter against libel actions. It's sad that we even need an act of Congress, but our courts were turned into places of arbitrary quasi-legislative claptrap activism, so they couldn't be counted on to keep the government from turning the Internet into a Maoist enterprise.

    The telling thing about this is that the act itself started out as an attempt by politicians to put their limits on the Internet -- which would have been terrible. And that Section 230 was the one concession private interactive services got from their lobbying attempts. Luckily the abomination that was the rest of the act was tossed by the courts (which did their job in this case), leaving just that section in place.

    That section can not be anymore straightforward. Anyone who has a problem with it should be suspect, not the other way around. It says that if you provide an interactive online service, you can't be treated as a content provider based on what your users do. There is also "good samaritan" protection that allows a platform to remove or moderate user content that they deem threatening or harmful.

    That act being "in play," has nothing to do with the provisions of the act itself or the way you were framing it as some sort of libel issue. ... which is nonexistent. The act itself isn't allowing Twitter to get away with libeling anyone. What this is actually, is an organized attempt by some people (more accurately, some conspiracy theorists and misinformation artists) who were told by Twitter that they weren't welcome on its platform to peddle their BS. So they are now turning to the fascist appoach of trying to use whatever political power they have to force their way onto the platform via government dictate.

    That last thing you typed. ... about an art museum. ... It has nothing to do with what I just typed above. ... but no, Twitter is not like an art museum. You can't take your child's finger painting and hang it at the art museum. Nothing hangs on an art museum wall without the art museum itself putting it on the wall. Twitter has something like 350 million active users creating and posting their own content. The fact that Twitter puts limits on how you may use the platform does not make it a curator.
     
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