NFL offseason thread

Not even close.

Vick for a career is a 80.5 and his best season was 100.2
Jackson for a career is 102.6 and his best season was 113.3

I was surprised at how bad Vick's passing numbers are. Jackson, while certainly not being a great passer and good is debatable, is much better than Vick ever was.

 

I messed that up. I looked at ESPN's passer rating for one and the other one for another.

Jackson did regress as a passer in 2020, though. If he drops another 14 points in 2021, then it might be tough decision for Baltimore. He's still a top-10 QB in the league.

Who would you rather have? Kyler Murray or Jackson? Allen or Jackson? Herbert or Jackson?

 

I would take Herbert over any QB in the league with the exception of Mahomes.

As for the other two Jackson in Baltimore is better than Murray in Arizona and probably on par with Allen in Buffalo. That's the thing with the Ravens...I believe they are going to do the things necessary to make him successful, much like Buffalo did with Allen, who was crap until this season when he had a legitimate No. 1 WR.

 

I understand your reasoning that one person is not responsible for the failings of the other. But the Jets have gone through more front offices in the last 50 years than I can count and it has been almost universally complete ineptitude. I think you have to look at the historical record and conclude the Jets are permanently screwed up.

 

Having 113.3 QB Rating is pretty rare air. Aaron Rodgers is pretty great eh? He's only had two seasons in his career with a higher rating than that. Jackson dropped to a 99+. If he stays at 99-100 for his career, no one's complaining.

 

I would take all three over Jackson for the kind of offense I want to run. Bottom line is, WRs don't want to play with Jackson. Ravens signed one guy - Sammy Watkins, for 1 year - this offseason. Jackson is, like I said, a great player. Great. But the offense must be built around him running the ball. Ravens had three guys with more than 130 carries last season.

 

Miami ran the East in the 70s and 80s, Buffalo in the 90s, Pats the last 20 years. The Jets had a nice little identity under Herm and Rex, run the ball, play some D, don't do dumb shit, and if they had ever hit on the QB - which, they did not - maybe there's a Super Bowl berth. But it's just been a disaster at the position.

 

But once he can’t run anymore, which is one hit away, he’s going to have to improve as a passer to keep that rating up.

I really think 2019 was his career year, but I could be wrong.

 

The game has changed. Jackson has better numbers than some of Joe Montana's better seasons. Nobody's making that trade. Everybody's got better stats now. The WRs are better, the game's rules are geared toward passing the ball, and a two-inch pitch pass is counted as a completion.

Jared Goff had a 32/12 year in 2018 and I'll you right now he's about two bad games from being bounced out of the league. He cost the Rams a Super Bowl and maybe a trip to another one.

 

Woody Johnson is so damn impulsive and really let's negative press coverage control too many decisions. Herm Edwards has a good run in New York, playoffs in three of four years....Pennington gets injured and they go 4-12 in his fifth season. New York media makes fun of some issues the Jets have in 2005...Woody starts thinking and lets Edwards go to Kansas City for a fourth round pick.

Hires Mangini, 10-6 in first season...Pennington goes down again in 2007 and they go 4-12. They bring in Brett Favre in 2008, go 9-7 after a bad finish and some Favre dick-pic controversy. Media blames Mangini because Favre has a thing for brunettes and Woody fires him.

Hires Rex Ryan, back-to-back AFC Champ. appearances, probably should've went to the Super Bowl in 2010-11 but had a bad first half against the Steelers...Veteran team starts to age and lack of draft capital to go all in on 2009 and 2010 seasons catches up by 2013 so Woody fires Mike Tannebaum and hires bean-counter John Idzik who manages to fuck up two drafts and horde cap money. Both guys fired after 2014 season with Idzik being dumped on from day one and rightfully so.

Woody wants to hire Doug Marrone, who resigns from Buffalo after 2014, but NY media is like "why would you hire that clown", so he decides to back away from that and hire Mike Maccagnan as GM and let him hire Todd Bowles. Bowles is 10-6 in season one and a Ryan Fitzpatrick week 17 meltdown from making the playoffs. Inexplicably the Maccagnan decides to bring back Fitzpatrick and he shits the bed most weeks. They basically sit in QB purgatory until drafting Darnold in 2018. After a 4-12 season Bowles gets fired, never had much of anything on the roster after 2016, but Maccagnan stays.

Maccagnan gets to make the next coach hire and hires Adam Gase, figuring he'll want a coach with a weaker foundation than what he's standing on and then goes on a horrible free agent spending spree and a full draft before Woody realizes that two guys won't work together and he fires Maccagnan (should've fired both). That let the media debate the merits of Woody choosing between two piles of shit to start with.

Right now is probably the best coaching/GM situation the Jets have had since 2009. Joe Douglas is far from perfect, but I do think he knows how to draft and getting rid Jamal Adams for a ton of draft capital looks like a good move right now. Robert Saleh seems very competent and I like the fact that Douglas and the Jets front office didn't really know Saleh personally before the interview and he really won them over. Makes me believe they feel like they actually hired the best person for the job rather than taking a lot of queues from some coaching search group.

 

It'll be his career year.

 

I agree. Michael Vick is still no one near as good of a passer as Lamar Jackson.