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Kat O’Brien: I was raped by an MLB player

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Inky_Wretch, Jun 20, 2021.

  1. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately the board doesn't have the female component it once did, and more's the pity.
     
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  2. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    [QUOTE="WriteThinking, post: 4829228, member: 9261"

    It is so strong that I do think she would have been believed, and hopefully, supported, and the player would have been investigated and punished had these details come out soon after the sexual assault occurred. That small window of time is so key to any potential real impact and whether or not justice is to be done, because the possibility of actual physical evidence gets lost by women waiting 18 years to report such things. Now, of course it's only going to be a case of she said/he said.

    But, reported sooner -- to the police, and not just the woman's mother, friends, editor, team or league -- she'd be believed, perhaps more so, even, than if she waited to tell.


    Really, a similar sort of "face" and person-hood should be given to the attacker, too, and a name would do that, so I think I actually understand ThomasONE's point.
    QUOTE]

    None of that is true. She would have been vilified, not believed and run out of her job.

    Again, it's not about him. It doesn't matter who it was. It matters that the story could not be told by a 22 year old and believed because American culture is misogynistic to the core.
     
  3. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    I guess I'm not as sure as gingerbread and Mngwa about what would have happened back then. I'm not sure how anyone could be, especially if there was actual physical evidence to be had.

    That, combined with her reputation, her skills, her talents, her good standing, the support her paper should have given her, all might have stood O'Brien in good stead.

    I know it would have been difficult for a young reporter to go through and to try to come through, just like writing this essay and putting it out there left her fingers trembling -- because it is making this most private of matters public. But O'Brien did this, and I think she could have done that, too. That is meant as a compliment.

    With regard to the attacker, if he has acted against other women besides O'Brien, I'd say it absolutely matters who it was. Being specific and giving such details in no way takes away from any non-specific, big-picture movement that O'Brien might've intended to join.

    Putting forth such information sooner afterward would have been more effective back then than it might be now, even.

    I say all this because this instance sounds like much more than just a suggestive comment, an unwanted advance, or even harassment. That lends strength to the case.
     
  4. gingerbread

    gingerbread Well-Known Member

    Please stop acting as if you know what she went through, what she is still going through, or what she could have handled at age 22. Especially since you've said you don't know her.

    And anyone who's been in this business understands EXACTLY how this would have played out. Eighteen years on, we've still got people here saying she should name the rapist, despite the tremendous blowback and heartache it would cause her, the victim.
     
  5. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    This “she should name the guy” or even better “she should have come out with this and his name in 2002” reminds me of Bill Paxton in Aliens:

    “I don’t know if you’ve been keeping track of current events but....”

    When was the last time or even the first time where an accuser was believed immediately and not attacked?? If you think that’s what would’ve happened in 2002 against a famous baseball player at that, nope.
     
  6. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't understand anyone, especially a woman, who thinks this would have turned out in O'Brien's favor had she gone to the cops 18 years ago. Holy fuck. Seriously. The player would have said she came to my room, we had sex. And EVERYONE would have believed him.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Nothing turns out in "her favor" if she was raped. There is no right or wrong answer. It's what she personally can deal with at a vulnerable time. And only she could answer that at the time. ... and now.

    I don't think EVERYONE would have believed him. But I can only speak for myself. And I can reasonably say that my attitude 18 years ago, would have been essentially the same as it is now.

    A woman says she was raped. She names her attacker. Based on that, I don't "believe" her or disbelieve her. This isn't an opinion. Something factually happened. Just as I don't believe or disbelieve the guy she is accusing. I wasn't there, and I don't have any information at that point aside from her accusation.

    I DO take her accusation seriously. Which makes me want to be sensitive toward her. But beyond that, her word is all any of us have.

    If she goes to the cops, and it ends up with a prosecutor, the prosecutor is only as good as the evidence that exists, obviously. It's just reality. It doesn't mean what she says didn't happen, obviously. But her word alone isn't enough to convict and punish someone. ... as it should be.

    Knowing that. ... yeah, a rape accusation without good corroborating evidence is very difficult to prove. Which makes it a shitty situation for many women who are raped.

    Reporting it "works in her favor" if she can deal with having to relive it and the likely frustration that is going to come from the difficulty of proving it. ... and the people who will decide who to "believe" or "disbelieve," even if they have no basis for their opinions (which have no relationship to what factually happened). Putting up with all of that is a lot to ask of anyone, which is where you and some others are coming from. ... it's a woman who has been through a trauma. Can she deal with reliving it publicly, SOME people acting shitty as people do, and knowing that there is a decent chance that her attacker may not be prosecuted or convicted?

    That is why a lot of women don't report. And that isn't likely to change anytime soon (to answer an earlier question on the thread). But I can also understand a woman whose attitude, feelings, etc. is different, and takes the attitude that she may not get justice but she is going to make her attacker's life as hellish as she can by pursuing it.

    It really comes down to what that particular woman can and can't handle. And there is no right or wrong.
     
  8. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    Ragu, you parsed something I didn't say. I don't ever think rape is in a woman's favor, I simply meant the legal case, but you knew that.
     
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    No, I didn't know that.

    Most of us already well understood that rape cases are difficult to prove and many aren't even prosecuted as a result.

    Which is why I was talking about a starting point of KNOWING THAT. ... What can I handle and what is it worth to me?
     
  10. Old Crank

    Old Crank Active Member

    A lot of you need to STFU and listen to Gingerbread. She speaks the truth.
     
  11. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

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  12. OscarMadison

    OscarMadison Well-Known Member

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