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Running racism in America thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Scout, May 26, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This is life. ... The "what about me" part. Television is competitive and she wouldn't be successful if she wasn't ambitious.

    You think she is insincere? She was being honest. Maybe insincere in that she now needs to smooth it over, but jesus, what do you expect her to do?

    I have no idea if Maria Taylor earned her job or is really the person whoever makes the decision about who to put on the air really thinks is the best person. Or if it's that she fits the right set of "diversity" measures.

    But the reason Rachel Nichols is saying that stuff? Because that is what is happening all around us! And it's creating more and more resentment in the other direction. Some people think it's great because in their mind it somehow addresses past opportunities that were denied to people. But when you stray down that path, you don't get a meritocracy out of it. ... and every promotion, every person passed over, ends up with conversations like the one she was having. I thought it was brutally honest.

    Eventually we are going to have a reckoning over this. We are impulsively making EVERYTHING about race. And I get it. We have a bad race history, and now that more people are empowered (which is actually a sign of how we progressed), there are a lot of people who aren't just thinking in terms of MLK Jr's. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." They WANT it to be ALL about the color of your skin. ... in some misguided attempt to fast track away racism and to punish anyone they perceived as having been "privileged." Something like George Floyd continues to happen. ... and these things take on a vengeance quality.

    And as long as we continue to group people by race first, it's going to be a mess for us societally. This kind of shit wouldn't happen if we could deal with curent racism, and our past, by simply making it the goal to stamp out racism and discrimination against people in the future.
     
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  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Every. Fucking. Thing. The reckoning, in full force, full throat, will be really fucking ugly. It's comin.
     
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  3. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Explain why your children and grandchildren are racist and deserve a backseat
     
  4. Octave

    Octave Well-Known Member

    No ambition is worth camping out on Favre's lawn. That's just me.

    "I'm not going to spend my life being a color."
    -M. Jackson

    Can't argue with that. Nor am I.
     
  5. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  6. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    IMHO that’s what’s the problem, everything is being evaluated at the very margin; sometimes you have to sacrifice a bit.

    I saw it in the 90’s with affirmative action. Giving one set of people some consideration means automatically someone else got supposedly screwed. I disagree with that. You have to look at the bigger picture.

    I did that; I went through standard admissions both for college and law school because I thought I had a good situation and wanted to save admissions spots for those more in need. That eliminated me from the upper most tiered schools but that’s okay.
     
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  7. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Was talking to my boy today about this division between peoples and he reminded me the concept of “race” only came about to justify diminished “value” of slaves. There is no genetic difference beyond skin color. So I’m doing my best to avoid using that word any more.

    Let’s talk about our differing cultural backgrounds and
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Race isn't a concept. It's something tangible. Races are groupings of people based on physical traits that derived from their ancestry.

    We don't need euphemisms for it. When someone hates on someone because they are black. ... it's because of the color of the person's skin. Why would you avoid acknowledging what it is?
     
  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    You sacrificed voluntarily. A choice. But mandated, one becomes the sacrifice, the lamb upon the alter. There was affirmative action, as you said, starting at least 30 years ago. To some positive affect. A generation of powerless Americans have been subjected to race based admissions, government contracts, diversity goals of employers. Now that has been deemed wholly insufficient. If the runners can’t catch up, then slow the leaders down. Diluting AP classes, honors classes and what used to be called gifted and talented. It’s easier to dumb everyone down, then boost others up. And then there’s the issue of who gets sacrificed? Like the Irish who emigrated during the civil war, they were drafted to fight a war they had no hand in creating or received any benefit. Everyone who isn’t black, become the sheep herded to the alter. Well not everyone. The wealthy avoid it. And in their place recent immigrants who are deemed nonblack and therefore subject to retaliation for their alleged privilege. And there are plenty, millions and millions of Americans for whom privilege is a joke. Within 100 miles in either direction of the Appalachian Mountains are generations of poor whites, for whom privilege never existed, but is now imputed. Hispanic and Asians will suffer disproportionately and wrongly. Nonblack women will fall further behind. Generations of middle class Americans who have dutifully paid federal state local property and sales taxes will again e called on to sacrifice 1/3 to half their earnings to support programs which they are not beneficiaries.

    the more you coerce people into paying to solve a problem they didn’t create or perceive they benefited from, the worse it will get.and the more they perceive they are paying but being de ied equal opportunities and benefits, the worse it will get. the trumpsters, not the business conservatives, but the social conservatives and middle class conservatives, will get angrier. They’ve already decided to sacrifice democracy, and they were only 8 million votes short.

    you can’t solve the discrimination problem by punishing people who aren’t guilty. And, we need an honest, brutally honest, accounting of America. From the horrors of bigotry and violence against blacks to a culture of victimization born of distrust of society. Neither side is self-aware enough to find fault with themselves, to any degree.
     
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  10. exmediahack

    exmediahack Well-Known Member

    At least Mendelsohn didn’t say...

    “Perhaps you’re right but Maria Taylor is an absolute smoke show. Our research shows 13% of the audience will watch her with the sound off.

    We’re in the eyeballs business. That’s why she’s going to host.”
     
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  11. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Jimmy "Dyn-O-Mite" Walker, Esther Rolle, John Amos and Norman Lear would like a word.
     
  12. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Different class of black family is what I assume he meant.
     
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