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NCAA finally waves white flag on NIL

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Baron Scicluna, Jun 30, 2021.

  1. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    From 2015. Still valid in 2021.

    (Georgia State), now in their sixth season, haven’t given fans much reason to celebrate. In the 2013 and 2014 seasons, competing at the highest level of the National Collegiate Athletic Association, the team recorded just a single victory. Average attendance last year was among the 10 worst in the NCAA’s top level. Yet Georgia State’s 32,000 students are still required to cover much of the cost. Over the past five years, students have paid nearly $90 million in mandatory athletic fees to support football and other intercollegiate athletics — one of the highest contributions in the country.


    The $10-Billion Sports Tab

     
  2. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    That's not what you asked about. You asked if I really believed "normal" students who don't care about athletics should not be stuck with huge incidental fees to support money-losing FCS and FBS programs. Yes, I do.

    Yes, the athlete should be able to make money. And yes, I believe it's going to open a huge can of worms in the future, with major problems with D1 parity; with mid- and low-majors losing players to programs that can pay more, especially those low- and mid-major athletes who want to move up and cash in; with players playing for themselves before their team, so they can move up and potentially cash in; with players getting into financial problems because they aren't paying taxes on their income; with jealousies on teams because of disparate income levels, and probably some issues I haven't even thought of.

    And I haven't even mentioned Title IX.

    On with the show.
     
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  3. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    There’s no parity now. And since when is parity supposed to factor into college athletics?
    This chicken little shit is funny, next to nothing will change. In fact, you might be better off being a big fish in a small pond them just another guy at Alabama.
     
  4. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Not the athletes fault. Shut it all down, better yet, cap coaches salaries.
     
  5. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    "Title IX" made me laugh out loud. That's some serious flailing.
     
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  6. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    There was a relative level of parity under the old system. A relatively equal playing field is paramount to athletic competition. It will now devolve even further to the have- and have-nots.

    I would not so cavalierly diminish valid concerns as "chicken little stuff."

    Interesting you feel coaches should not have the same economic freedoms you think the athletes should enjoy.

    And how will shutting down programs be beneficial to the athletes whose economic rights you advocate so strongly for?

    We're gonna disagree. No big deal.
     
  7. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    It's larceny that regular students have to prop up the athletic department at so many schools and I'm not sure how that's even debatable. I love my ol' state U but when I start paying my daughter's tuition bill in two years, I will be none too pleased if there's hundreds of dollars of athletic fees tucked in. If she's paying for game tickets or access to a sparkling new rec center, that's different.
     
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  8. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    You should brush up on Title IX law.

    Under Title IX, institutions are not absolved of their obligation to comply if donors choose to donate only to men's teams, the booster club supports only football, or institution staff make poor choices about how to spend the available money. Benefits are provided for student-athletes (improved facilities, new uniforms, better travel accommodations, scholarships, etc.) via donated monies, tangible gifts, guarantees, and endowments, are all viewed under Title IX as benefits provided by the institution. This principle of institutional responsibility is the same under all civil rights laws so as to prohibit actions that would circumvent those laws.

    It's not a stretch to think that Miami's women, having seen the $540,000 private donation to pay the football team, will expect their own piece of the pie. Even if the donation is not to the institution per say, it was given to support representatives of the institution participating in an institutionally-sponsored activity and it's easily applicable in Title IX scenarios.

    http://titleixspecialists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Title-IX-Executive-Summary.pdf
     
  9. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Parity is more important than a kids rights being held up, bullshit there was parity. Parity in pro sports is a salary cap, remember, this isn’t pro sports.

    So let’s let these athletes continue to be exposed? This is so ridiculous, the original argument was Universtys couldn’t afford to pay them, good, they aren’t.

    You know who else benefits, the division 2 lacrosse player, baseball player, who can go home and run camps. Girls and boys. Not a single athlete doesn’t benefit. This is just old men trying to hold on to the belief this is amateur athletics and these boys should be lucky they have a scholarship. Coaches can make 10 mill a year but now it’s the athletes who will make regular student fees go up. I can believe what an altruistic organization the NCAA is.
     
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  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Good, then the women get it as well.
     
  11. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    I clearly said, "Yes, the athlete should be able to make money." Not sure what you don't understand about that. (Of course, if the athletes are paid above their scholarship, doesn't that make it pro sports, by definition?)

    I also think there will be some consequences, both foreseen and unforeseen, that won't make this the slam-dunk panacea you think it is.
     
  12. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    Advocates for women's sports have been fighting like hell for this change because it's a huge benefit to women athletes. They can now monetize their skills in a way that was never available before, because unlike the top men, their peak exposure is in college. It's probably the best thing to happen to women's sports since Title IX.

    But if you're insistent on pretending these are "benefits" provided to athletes through the school, you do you. They're not. The NIL rule is set up specifically to have nothing to do with the school.
     
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