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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I read it. I’m the one who posted it. And then I quoted the story and asked again and got the “depends on who’s writing history” answer.

    (and just so we’re clear, I read Inky’s story link, too. I know and Inky knew, what I meant by “what he’s right about.”
     
  2. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Terrorists become Freedom Fighters (or Founding Fathers) if their side wins.

    Are we reaching a tipping point in regards to climate change? If you think think so, then what's the line on fighting to prevent us from crossing it? It's similar to the "abortion is murder" argument. If you really think abortion is murder and the worst thing in the world, then why aren't you chaining yourself to abortion clinics or setting them on fire?

    I'm not advocating eco-terrorism right now, but I might in a few years if nothing is done.
     
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  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Gonna let Joe and Co. give it the old college try, eh?

    The book’s author is a clever Marxist. Surely minivans fueled by gas are a big problem. But it’s the Range Rover that makes the sentence.
     
  4. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Sure.

    But he's right about pacifism combining with a "fuck it we're screwed" attitude is part of the reason nothing much gets done.
     
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  5. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    Look what happened just minutes from here: unbearable heat

     
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  6. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    FWIW, the author of the book responded to his critics with a BLOG! post.

    Verso
     
  7. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    He knew relief was only 15 minutes away.
     
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  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    People are far more eco-conscious and eco-active than they were 25, 30 years ago. Lots has been done. People living much longer than they used to - and thus, you know, contributing to the carbon footprint - is not an immoral act. (I didn't say you said it was.)

    That it's not enough for activists is a thing, of course - but its own thing. You don't drag people out of Range Rovers and think that's going to be enough. You have to drag millions of people. With kids. At the tip of the proverbial spear. It rarely works with "a little bit of authoritarianism for the bad, mean people." IMO, people with Range Rovers tend to fight back, and have the means to do so. So it isn't them getting dragged. It's the minivan folks.


     
  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Lots has been done. Lots and lots more needs to be done. That's where the "fuck it" and pacifism create a bottleneck to getting more done.
     
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  10. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

  11. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    It is becoming increasingly obvious that climate change is real. Temps over 100 in the Pacific NW and a drought and water shortage that threatens residential life and the ag industry in the valley in California are hard to deny, as are more and more powerful hurricanes. The question remains whether we are going to make a concerted effort to fight against it before the loss of equilibrium and momentum of the change has swung so far that it becomes incredibly difficult to stop.
     
  12. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    I covered climate activists in the PNW who were fighting against development of export coal terminals, to curtail power plant pollution in China. Talk about a granular protest -- they got laws passed so railroads bringing coal to Washington state ports had to cover open-top cars, to limit particulates spread to trackside communities.
     
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