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RIP Joe Walton

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by mpcincal, Aug 16, 2021.

  1. Corky Ramirez up on 94th St.

    Corky Ramirez up on 94th St. Well-Known Member

    Always remember a banner that hung in Three Rivers Stadium when he was an offensive coach:

    J_E
    Where’s the O?
     
  2. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    IIRC, the word on Joe was his offense was too complicated.

    Student body left, student body tight would have given Brister problems.
     
  3. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    The 1990 season. Steelers had no offensive touchdowns in the first four games. Then Eric Green caught 5 tds in the next two games, and that created a LOT of expectations for his career.
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Brister was the starter in Walton's first season, 1990, then split time with Neil O'Donnell in 1991. I had forgotten about all that, but yes, Brister was very critical of Walton's offense. Part of that was the complexity of the offense. Part was that it relied so heavily on a short passing game, which really didn't fit Brister's game at all.

    Steelers Overcome Language Barrier : NFL: Quarterback Bubby Brister now can understand and call plays, and that's a boon to Pittsburgh's offense.
     
  5. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    NYT lacks decorum
    and a proper sense of history:

    Joe Walton, Giants Star
    Who Found
    Futility as
    Jets Coach, Dies at 85

    He took them to the playoffs several times
    in the 1980s but was dismissed after a 53-57 record.
    He went on to achieve success as a college coach.


    I mean, come on. Show some respect with an obit. 53-57 is mediocrity, not futility.

    Want futility? Rich Kotite was 4-28 as coach of the Jets. THAT, my friends, is FUTILITY.
     
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  6. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Maureen Dowd wrote that headline.
     
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  7. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    While in Colorado on an edible run as she passed a birthday party.

    That is a horrible headline.
     
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  8. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    They really didn't focus on drafting defensive players high until the late 80s. Walton liked shootouts, especially against the Dolphins. At times the Jets offenses were extremely productive. They could run and pass effectively. But when Kerry Glenn, a 10th round pick, is your No. 1 CB for a 3-year stretch, Dan Marino is going to torch his ass. By 1988 they drafted Erik McMillian and James Hasty to boost up the secondary and then in 1989 drafted Jeff Lageman and Dennis Byrd, so the pieces were definitely getting there on defense by 1990, but that's about the time at O'Brien and the offense started to dry up.
     
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  9. mpcincal

    mpcincal Well-Known Member

    Well, his last year they finished 4-12, so I guess you could say he found futility eventually, but that's kind of rotten cherry-picking. However, I do agree with your larger point, and I would expect a little better from the Times.
    Kotite -- SMH. The thing I laugh about is that, IIRC, they fired Pete Carroll after one 6-10 season specifically because they wanted to hire Kotite.
     
  10. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Did they hire the WaPo intern who wrote the Schottenheimer hed? Yeesh.
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not sure I would have gone with that headline, but it's not as bad as I think some of you are making it out to be. At least IMO. His last 3 or 4 seasons the Jets, I think the most accurate description would be, "beleaguered."

    Jets fans had expectations for those teams, whether they were realistic or not, and they didn't have much success. He won 1 playoff game in 7 seasons.

    Whether that qualifies as futility or not is a fair question, but it goes beyond that with him. The fans were brutal toward him the last 3 or 4 seasons until he was finally fired. The "Joe must go" chants rained down on that stadium, week after week. The fans would bat around beachballs that said, "Joe must go" on them.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2021
  12. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    IIRC, the Jets under Walton once started the season 9-0 or 10-0 -- and missed the playoffs.

    They were big-time underachievers with Walton at the helm. They had a lot of talent on both sides of the ball.
     
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