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Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twirling Time, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    No, they don't. The actuarial risk is exactly the same regardless of who is assuming that risk.
     
  2. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    The rationale is that they didn’t want insurance companies putting profits above paying claims, so they put in a floor. The government wanted companies to not use the insurance equivalent of the Pittsburgh Pirates as their role model.
     
  3. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    https://www.ashland.or.us/Files/Self Insurance FAQ.pdf

    Obviously when you self-insure, you want your staff to stay healthy. If you are in a business like a school division, going the route of self-insurance is tempting. Many school districts will have over 1,000 employees, so there is a way to project how many cancers, diabetics, pregnancies and what ever else will be draws on your self-insurance. You can’t stop people fucking, but you can try to get them healthier in their day to day life so fewer claims happen.

    The one area that self-insured feel they can have the most cost-savings is work place injuries that require workman’s compensation. I remember HR complaining they lost $100,000 because three teachers got hurt hanging stuff up. The solution? $25,000 was spent providing them with good step ladders. Literally, that’s what one broken bone on a fall costs.

    So, how does COVID factor into this? If I contract COVID on the job, am I able to get workman’s comp? At the best for HR, I’m still staring down a massive hospital bill for an employee on a vent.

    Honestly, insurance is going to end COVID, or it’s our best hope. Employers who are self-insured are not going to put up with it. And the GOP, whose big wigs all have thousands upon thousands and millions upon millions of self-insured employees will welcome it. Fuck your freedom. Now you’re fucking with my bottom line.
     
  4. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I have no idea what you are reading into that link.

    You have two different people insuring the SAME EXACT risk. Explain to me how you think that one is at greater financial risk than the other.
     
  6. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That is claptrap.

    Delta can try to deny claims just as easily as a third-party insurer, and in fact, it probably financially benefits to an even greater degree from doing it if it is self insuring.
     
  8. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Disadvantages of a Self-Funded Health Plan
    Self-funding a health plan also carries a number of disadvantages, including the following:

    • The employer is exposed to risk of high losses due to extraordinary claims.
    • Current year expenses will be unpredictable.
    • There is a possibility of financial loss due to operational inefficiencies.
    • The risk of regulatory penalties and lawsuits increases due to the potential for errors caused by ignorance or lack of understanding.
    • There is a higher risk of in-house fraud or abuse.
    • The employer is exposed to higher risk based on demographics of the employee population (e.g., an employee population that skews older could increase the risk of high health claims).
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Please stop cutting and pasting things that don't address what you are supposedly responding to.

    An insurance company deals with ALL of those bullet points too. The only difference is that an insurance company's entire business is risk mitigation. The reason that Delta (and other large companies) self insure, is that they are insuring enough people that they can achieve economies of scale that allow them to do the same exact thing the third-party insurance company does, while saving on the profit the insurance company would need to earn.

    Take any actuarial risk. If someone agrees to take on that risk, the amount of risk they are taking on isn't some variable thing that depends on WHO assumed the risk. It's absurd to even try to suggest that.
     
  10. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Do you ever realize how condescending you are?

    you obviously have knowledge, share it and educate instead of using it to bludgeon.

    We’re exchanging ideas here right? No one “wins” do they?
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Condescension implies that I feel superior.

    I am saying something that should be obvious and is just factual.

    There is an actuarial risk. Regardless of who assumes that risk, the financial risk is exactly the same.

    Someone else tells me, no, it's not factual. The financial risk is greater if one entity asumes it than it is if another one does.

    I say, explain that to me. Tell me how the risk changes depending on who assumes it.

    And they go around in circles giving non explanatory replies.

    If you take my frustration as condescension, OK.

    I see it as natural. I thought I was trying to be patient. At a certain point, after multiple replies like that, I am (not literally) pulling out what little hair I have left.
     
  12. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Sure they can. My response was in reference to fully-funded plans, which is what the law addresses.

    As I've said before, whether that should morally occur or not is an entirely different discussion.
     
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