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13 days, 22 murders

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, Jul 15, 2020.

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  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    You seem . . . concerned.
     
    Azrael, Sep 28, 2021
    #121
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    It’s Been ‘Such a Weird Year.’ That’s Also Reflected in Crime Statistics. (Published 2020)

    Updated September 27, 2021

    It’s important to keep the rise in historical perspective. Murder in New York was up 25 percent compared with last year as of June 14, but that total was the same one the city had in 2015. Murder is up 22 percent in Chicago, but it’s down 6 percent from where it was at this time in 2017. Murder is up 42 percent in New Orleans, but a year ago murder was its lowest point there in almost half a century.

    “These numbers do not tell a story that supports any ideological side of the debate around policing,” Mr. Goff said. “What it supports at most is a need for rigorous curiosity about a vital issue.”
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2021
    Azrael, Sep 28, 2021
    #122
  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    If the CEO of Policing Equity - which seeks to “reimagine” public safety - is being quoted, I take into account his worldview. Not the first source I’d call on something like this, but, noted.
     
    Alma, Sep 28, 2021
    #123
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    tell me you didn't read the whole story without telling me you didn't read the whole story
     
    Azrael, Sep 28, 2021
    #124
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  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The Center for Policing Equity. Based out of Yale University. Takes a data-driven approach to study police interactions with people, and to diagnose racial disparities in policing. Partnered with dozens of law enforcement agencies across North America to help them analyze biases in their policing and address them.

    I can't imagine why that is a bad source for this story. ... But looking at his quote, he said that he'd guess that an increase in domestic violence due to people being locked inside led to more murders. Followed by (paraphrasing), 'but I am just speculating, I don't have evidence for that other than a rise in calls to 911 for domestic violence.'

    The guy sounds utterly unreasonable, definitely not someone @Alma would ever call to get his insights into crime and policing for a story on crime and policing.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 28, 2021
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  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I don't what to tell you. It's not the first person I'd quote. Maybe it's the first person you'd quote. It's absolutely what I'd expect someone focused on policing equity to say on July 6, 2020, one month after murders in America went off the charts. I wouldn't want an advocate of reimagining public safety to focused on something else, to be honest; that's what advocates do.

    But, again, noted. It's a point made.

    As for it being housed at Yale...OK?
     
    Alma, Sep 28, 2021
    #126
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Advocates fought to end slavery. Advocates fought to get women the right to vote. Advocates worked to end Jim Crow in this country. They worked to ensure voting rights for disenfranchised people.

    There were plenty of people who didn't want them "reimagining" those things either.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 28, 2021
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  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Yeah, as I said...advocates should be focused on advocacy. I'm good with that.

    If you're saying that you believe the policing issue is equal to those issues, by all means, hold court.

    As I've written many times, I'm for disarming the police in most situations. No guns for traffic stops, etc.
     
    Alma, Sep 28, 2021
    #128
  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    The murder rate is up after a year of quarantine lockdowns and social distancing has ended!?! SHOCKING!

    What's next? The number of NFL stadium fights increased this season after last season?
     
    Inky_Wretch, Sep 28, 2021
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  10. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    There were plenty of people who advocated segregation today, segregation tomorrow. Advocates fought for prohibition of liquor too. Advocates for American neutrality in WWII, the gold standard and that child labor laws were unconstitutional.

    frankly most issues where someone advocates for a particular policy often has a side advocating for a different position.
     
    heyabbott, Sep 28, 2021
    #130
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The point was that a blanket dismissal of someone and his credibility because he is an “advocate” does nothing to address his credibility or what he was quoted saying. Which was why I restated what he was quoted saying, which seemed perfectly reasonable. If anything, his credibility was enhanced by him saying he was speculating based on a factor, not offering something that is completely supported by evidence. People who present things that way usually have a lot credibility, in my experience.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 28, 2021
    #131
  12. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    It's true, you know. You need to check your facts and do your research. :cool:
     
    Slacker, Oct 1, 2021
    #132
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