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Running racism in America thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Scout, May 26, 2020.

  1. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    You are replying to a racist gasbag.
     
  2. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    I don’t disagree. Just think that the story is that the same person keeps getting the same powerful jobs. Rich privileged preppy Ivy League politically connected men. This one happens to be of Jamaican parents, professionals, who immigrated to the US less than 50’years ago. It’s not that a Jamaican American got the job. It’s that privilege and elite status is getting diversified for the class picture but nothing of substance changed.
     
  3. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Abbott has a point re: upper class privilege.

    In general we need to see more people in power positions who grew up without a silver spoon in their mouths. God love Chelsea Clinton, but she's probably never had to struggle to survive and never went to bed without dinner because her parents were broke.

    Show me someone who graduated from Stony Brook and got their law degree nights at Columbia.

    tl;dr: More underdogs, please.
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
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  4. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    Barack Obama was an underdog. Single parent. Absent father. Biracial. Not connected. Got into these schools on his own and became president.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I personally like people who earn their place and are qualified. Your background shouldn't exempt you from a position nor should it elevate you. Your qualifications are the only thing that should matter.

    As for the Justice Department, to the extent racial minorities were shut out of jobs in the past (to what extent, if at all, is that the case today?), that shouldn't ever happen. But the notion that you somehow create justice by choosing a black person for a job is very misguided to me. You will never get true justice without those kinds of decisions being truly color blind. If it's really a just Justice Department, it will never matter what racial, ethnic, class background a prosecutor comes from. The only thing that matters in a just system is that the law gets applied fairly and equally for everyone by whoever is administering it.

    I think a major impediment to us getting to that point is people who insist on putting everything through the prism of race, including advocating for jobs to be filled with race as a determining factor. Those jobs should be equally open to everyone, regardless of their race or background. Ideally, your qualifications are all that matter, and your race neither exempts you or elevates you. Otherwise, you're just perpetuating racism in the name of fighting it.
     
  6. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Agreed, which is, I think, why he appealed to a lot of blue-collar folk. Except the racist ones.

    Edit: Bill Clinton was another.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2021
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  7. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Yeah the MAGGATS argued about every one of those points and turned them into mainstays of right wing screech media even today:

    1) Obama's mother was a stripper/whore and obviously a N-lover

    2) Obama's father was either Malcolm X or an insurrectionist commie agent

    3) Obama was steered through high school by shadowy mooslims in the deep state government (they're everywhere) and later, radicals such as Rev. Wright

    4) Obama's grades were inadequate to get admitted to an Ivy, he was an affirmative action poster child

    and so on and so on ....
     
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  8. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Is he a Muslim or a scary Christian? They've never been able to make up their minds.

    My favorite conspiracy theorist says Obama is somehow related to the Bushes and is part of the seven families cabal.
     
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  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    All US presidents except Van Buren and ... wait for it ... Fatfuck ... are interrelated to some distant extents because of English connections in their family trees. And yes, that includes Obama, through his mom's side.

    But not Fatfuck. Pure blood!
     
  10. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting pwotesters.

     
  11. Mr._Graybeard

    Mr._Graybeard Well-Known Member

    The problem is, people who claim to be "color blind" really aren't. They may not recognize that because they've never been on the receiving end of prejudice.

    I'm of the belief that we all have racism/ethnic prejudice lurking somewhere in our consciousness. We're a tribal species, and fear of "the other" comes naturally. Centuries of social structure have reinforced that.

    South Africa has moved forward from its racial divisions somewhat by acknowledging that reprehensible acts occurred in its past through colonialism and apartheid. It hasn't eliminated racism, black or white. But it was a big step forward. As an individual I try to recognize my internal prejudices so I can attempt to set them aside. I don't always succeed. But I try.

    I have to laugh every time I hear somebody claim they aren't racist. Their denial proves the point.
     
  12. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Sounds like this.

     
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