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Today's bizarre high school football score

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Chef2, Sep 20, 2014.

  1. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I like power points because it rewards strength of league, strength of schedule and quality losses. Leagues got ranked based on playoff success over time, so there was some fairness. I’ve covered teams where top three get AQ spots which led to 2-8 teams qualifying with no business being in the playoffs.

    The one issue with power points I saw was a private school league gets bonus points because they typically roll the public schools in the playoffs so they got extra bonus points. Schools got points for wins, a half point for playing a “B League” team (out of A+, A, B and C rankings), 1 for A league teams, points for being league champion, and bonus points for playing a league champion. The result was because those teams all played each other, they got something like 1.5 bonus points rather than the 1 bonus point for simply being an “A league” school. This led to a 1-9 team making it because they get an extra 3.5 points for playing their league opponents. So a team with a better record missed because the private school was rewarded for being a private school. I think they did away with the extra half point, but that was the only shenanigans in the system.
     
  2. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    From my experience in covering the Central Section, a sub- 500 team getting into the playoffs generally involves someone cutting a check. Most schools require their teams to be .500 or better in league or I really to be eligible. This is something the recently-hired commissioner should address, unless the schools are in love with the system.
     
  3. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Worked my last game of the season today, a small-school semifinal with a big crowd. Always a bummer of a day since no more games for nine months.

    But being from SoCal, specifically the I.E., I know all about CSDR and how it has been dumped on for decades, so I was happy to read this story.

    Deaf Football Team Brings Pride to Riverside Community
     
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  4. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Since this is the high school football thread, I have a rules question from the game I covered last night.
    Team A had the ball around Team B's 18-yard line, and the QB took a sack back to the 28. On the play, they called a targeting penalty on Team B and moved the ball half the distance to the goal, to the 14. The yardage did not give Team A a first down, and the officials left it as fourth-and-2 (or whatever it was).
    Shouldn't the targeting penalty have been a personal foul and an automatic first down?
    This has been baffling me since it happened.
     
  5. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    No. Does not qualify as an automatic first down in high school.

    Was the targeting on the QB at the 28? If so, then correctly enforced from the 28 and replay the down. Considered a "running play" and so enforced from the dead-ball spot.

    High school rules suck. College football rules are far superior among the three (NFHS, NCAA, NFL).
     
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  6. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    There are no automatic first downs in high school. You have to get the yardage
     
  7. apeman33

    apeman33 Well-Known Member

    I cannot conceive of a high school with a larger enrollment than the university I attended. Only five Kansas high schools have an enrollment over 2,000 and the largest (Wichita East) has 2,371.

    Andover has two high schools. Total combined enrollment: 2,818. And supposedly, Lawrence was told it had to open a second high school or the state was going to withdraw some funding. If Lawrence still had one high school, it would have 1,100 more students than Wichita East.
     
  8. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Yes there are. Not many, but there are automatic first downs in high school.
     
  9. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I’m trying to remember which they are, is it defensive holding and unsportsmanlike conduct? PI isn’t. Targeting isn’t.
     
  10. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    None of those. Come out and be an official. We'll get you straightened out. :)
     
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  11. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Roughing the passer
    Roughing the kicker
    Roughing the holder
    Roughing the snapper (on a kick)

    Situation today in my game.

    Second and-20 from the A-15.

    QB throws a pass to A15, where pass interference is called. Pass is incomplete. The R has a flag for roughing the passer.

    Result: Two penalties on the defense. Pass interference is declined. Accept the roughing the passer penalty. Why? Both are 15 yards. But roughing the passer also brings an automatic first down. Pass interference only makes it second-and-five.
     
  12. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Damn, I knew I was getting holding mixed up with the NFL.

    As for being a ref, I wish I had gone through ref training while I still covered preps. Probably would have seen the game better. For now, being a middle school teacher is as close as I’m going to get at officiating.
     
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