1. Welcome to SportsJournalists.com, a friendly forum for discussing all things sports and journalism.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register for a free account to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Access to private conversations with other members.
    • Fewer ads.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Aggregate demand can determine the right number of bars and restaurants just fine without you (or me) imposing a subjective opinion of one person about what the right number is.

    At the moment things are really out of whack. Hopefully it is temporary. But you have restaurants right now that can't operate with enough capacity to meet demand, because the labor market is so tight and they just don't have the staff.

    In that environment, yeah, I'd say it is kind of a bad thing to have fewer restaurants if not being able to find staff is the cause.
     
  2. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    The labor market is not tight. It's flush -- towards better jobs and away from restaurant gigs. Who's it bad for then? The owners.

    Frankly, I'd rather that be the case that it being bad for the workers.

    I have a lot of friends who work as waiters and bartenders and most don't even have health insurance, which restaurants don't typically provide. You can bet the owners have health insurance, though. So during a pandemic, I'm supposed to feel sorry for the health-protected owners versus the employees who maybe left to get a job with health insurance? Or took a job that paid enough to get it?

    Fewer restaurants and bars is just a market correction. There were too many.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2021
    I Should Coco and 2muchcoffeeman like this.
  3. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    Sure. When the USA was on the gold standard in the early 70's an ounce of gold was convertible at the price of $35 to one ounce of gold. But the government can change the price at which it converts gold. For example, FDR moved from converting gold at a price of $21 an ounce to $35 n ounce.

    If the British were converting god at the rate of five pounds for one ounce of gold and when the FDR changed the price then the exchange rate went from $4.20US to a British pound to $7US per pound. (I made up the British numbers)
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The labor market is incredibly tight. I'm not sure if you even understand that you are arguing that reality isn't reality.

    We have had way more job openings for months -- especially in the types of jobs we are talking about -- than there have been workers looking for the jobs being offered.

    That is a tight labor market (the tightest in decades) by definition. And of course that is bad for anyone looking to hire (the owners, as you put it). They have job openings that they can't fill. Which means they have demand that they can't meet. It also gives workers more leverage than they have had in a long, long time.
     
  5. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    yes, you're defining tight in a way that seems the opposite to me. But I get what you mean.
     
  6. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Very good point here. The tipping model is based entirely on a restaurant economy in which workers are making $2.13 an hour and the tips supplement that income. If my server is now making $15 an hour, why am I still tipping 20 percent or more on the meal? Especially in a city with a ridiculous meals tax like the one I currently reside in. It's the reason I don't tip at a Starbucks or an Einstein's Bagel. Those workers are paid an actual normal wage, not the pittance that servers make.
     
    MileHigh and Mngwa like this.
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The U.S. went off the gold standard under FDR. They tried to fight the depression by inflating the money supply. They couldn't do that with adherence to the gold standard, so they ditched it.

    The U.S. wasn't even really on the gold standard until the early 1970s, the way you think. Breton Woods, which had introduced a global monetary system in the 1940s that was based on the dollar, was more of a modified gold standard that put the dollar at the forefront. And the price of gold was not subject to government change the way you are saying. Between 1944 and 1971 (when we abandoned that scheme because they again wanted to try to inflate away their problems) the U.S. government was stuck with gold at $35 an ounce and whatever reserves it had.
     
  8. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    I think this is happening in a lot of places/industries. It seems as if we're truly right-sizing, at least in terms of what is really needed, and what would be best supported. I completely agree with you that all this is showing is that we don't need a lot of these businesses, and that we have way too much of certain things.
     
  9. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    I don't recall what the market price was at the time that the U.S. completely abandoned the idea of gold backing the currency in the '70's, but for certain it was officially $35/oz while buying gold in the world market was several times that.
     
  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    As to the job market and restaurants and bars having trouble finding new employees, you should go to Reddit and hit the r/antiwork forum. There are literally thousands of posts from people describing the job conditions and management decisions that led to them quitting and going elsewhere or changing careers completely. When you scan it a while you'll start to see patterns, particularly in the food and beverage industry. There are also some management abuses that repeatedly appear there. Ragu, you should probably be sure you've taken your blood pressure meds before you go there. Very different mindset applied in there.
     
    sgreenwell likes this.
  11. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Reduce executive compensation!?! MARXIST SOCIALISM COMMUNISM!!!
     
    TigerVols and garrow like this.
  12. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    Man, I’d like to buy gold for $35 per ounce instead of the $1,781 spot price it is today. If you get into buying gold coins, the price is considerably higher.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page